I put this in two comments, but here's what I'm seeing from sources who are probably informed--best I can say, independent sources with similar take:
From Michael Flynn's bro:
Jack Flynn #NeverConcede
Defending the Republic – Sidney Powell's Legal Defense Fund. The statement tonight was a simple clarification of @SidneyPowell1 role. Why would she need a fund site set up site if she were being paid by the RNC? SIDNEY IS OUR WARRIOR. SUPPORT HER. https://defendingtherepublic.org
5:26 PM · Nov 22, 2020·
Field of Fight ￼￼￼
Wrt the @JennaEllisEsq press release.
Very confident this has 2 do w money coming in for legal defense fund sppt @SidneyPowell1 has her own separate entity 4 legal donations that isn’t in conj w the Trump legal team.
Frees SP 2 do her own thing...which will STILL b biblical.
5:24 PM · Nov 22, 2020·
UPDATE 1: OUCH!
If B.F. Skinner was right that "chaos breeds geniuses," the Trump legal team will soon be given Mensa status.
5:03 PM · Nov 22, 2020·
UPDATE 2: I'd been meaning to get to this. There has been a massive circling of the Deep State wagons over the last two days--which makes me tend to believe that Sidney Powell is truly on to something. To me, a tell in matters such as this one is the issuance of non-denial denials. Or, put another way, denials of something that wasn't exactly the issue.
For example, the denials--by an anonymous "Army spokesman" or an equally anonymous "national security official"--that the "the Army" seized servers in Germany. As you know, I've never believed that "the Army" did that. And have you read the CIA denials that Scytl was their front company, or that they operated a server farm in Germany, or that they've ever diddled with elections? Me neither.
Now here's another example--and very pertinent to the current Powell brouhaha. Dominion denies that their "machines" can "switch votes." That's per Dominion PR Spokesperson Responds to Allegations of Voter Fraud, Irregularities.
The Dominion spokesman stated--seemingly forthrightly:
“It is not physically possible for our machines to switch votes from one candidate to the other.”
And who exactly asked whether the "machines" could do this "physically"? The author at Red State jumped all over that:
Well, of course the “machines” wouldn’t “physically” do it. But is he truly arguing that the machines can’t be hacked? Multiple demonstrations by media when they actually cared about the issue, have indicated that they could be. That’s not to say there’s proof they were hacked here, only that his claim is misleading.
Another issue: Why did Dominion make their non-denial denial to Fox and not--as requested--to the PA legislature?
Bottom line: I'd be very loath to think ill of Sidney after all the good she's done.
UPDATE 3: In Sidney's words:
Attorney Sidney Powell released a statement late on Sunday after the Trump legal team announced that she was not part of their legal defense team.
“I understand today’s press release. I will continue to represent #WeThePeople who had their votes for Trump and other Republicans stolen by massive fraud through Dominion and Smartmatic, and we will be filing suit soon.”
Which is exactly in line with what she told Larry O'Connor. This reflects worse on the Trump legal team than on Powell. And, at this point, reflects not too well on those who rushed to judgment.
A reminder: this could be all window dressing legally. Remember she still represents General Flynn. She said this while being interviewed several days ago by Larry O’Connor on WMAL (Wash, DC):ReplyDelete
After all the work she did for Flynn, and her book exposing the DoJ culture, I'd be loath to think ill of her.Delete
We must be closing in on the truth...ReplyDelete
Say what you will, but this does not strike me as good news. When the President’s team begins to divide and to separate itself from its most intrepid defender, the case looks a lot less persuasive. WHY? Maybe Sidney was threatening to reveal too much? I don’t know, but I have a sinking feeling, not only about the outcome of the election, but also about the future of our country.ReplyDelete
Trump's tweet of Nov 14:ReplyDelete
"I look forward to Mayor Giuliani spearheading the legal effort to defend OUR RIGHT to FREE and FAIR ELECTIONS! Rudy Giuliani, Joseph diGenova, Victoria Toensing, Sidney Powell, and Jenna Ellis, a truly great team, added to our other wonderful lawyers and representatives!"
Also from Ali somebody:
"No one needs to panic. This is just clarification since Media butchered everything. Sidney Powell and I have both said that she’s working for free and with a team she has autonomy over. All good"
ie The statement from Trump’s team simply clarified her position. they didn’t rebuke or refute any of her claims
True. As I said to EZ on the other thread, she made very clear that she was self funding when she spoke with Larry O'Connor. If they reject her positions, they should say so--otherwise the statement is inept and bungled.Delete
I am prepared to accept that this is as discussed. But I was reallyDelete
surprised when SP said “I think I will start by blowing up the state of Georgia.” I imagine the attention that got from all the pols who are focused on the run-off and Republicans generally thinking why start with us. They may well be crooked but not until after Jan. 5. Her language
may have been music to our ears but not to all. I hope It is as suggested.
Well, I hate to be one that has to point out, again, that if the state of Georgia isn't blownup by Powell's court filings, the two runoffs will be won by the Democrats handily. The Republicans are only going to win these runoffs if they put a full stop to absentee ballot fraud flood.Delete
If the legislature of Georgia does not move to modify election rules to stop the fraud as you describe, then obviously there is a major problem.Delete
I hope that that opportunity exists legally for them to do so now.
Agree, the flack is heaviest over the target!ReplyDelete
>November 22, 2020 at 6:56 PM
>We must be closing in on the truth...
We will see her standing when she files.
Democrats love any excuse to tear an opposition down, and money is a great lever.
RNC / GOP seems loath to use / pay for lawyers, where the Democrats somehow have no issues.
SP is also hinting at some GOP’s officials involvement in the voting fraud...
If she's not representing team trump what is she going to file in Georgia and on whose behalf is she filing it on?ReplyDelete
She made it clear to Larry O'Connor that she's self funding and is working for the American people--not for Trump.Delete
All she needs in Georgia are voters from Georgia as clients.Delete
If she needs clients from Georgia, I'll volunteer...Delete
Its hard to imagine Powell and Giuliani have let a tiff go public under these circumstances.ReplyDelete
On the one hand, this could just be a client 'conflict' or standing thing. Perhaps Sidney needs to represent voter plaintiffs in Georgia...and not Trump.
On the other hand, Giuliani's wording that "Sidney Powell is practicing law on her own" is baffling...and. of course, potentially troubling.
They owe us a clarification of what this means.
Powell has now clarified, and please see my comments above. She has been perfectly clear all along, it seems.Delete
Maybe it was , in fact, about liability. Rudy didn't want to be a co-defendant with Sidney when the targets of the Kraken return fire.Delete
Rudy is more than a little bit about the money. And I'm sure he'd like to keep what he's made. Back in the day, my firm engaged in discussions with Rudy about joining us. His financial demands were through the roof. No deal was made. He has since been associated with numerous firms and ventures, legal and otherwise, where he presumably has come closer to getting what he wanted.
Although one would have thought there is a professional liability insurance answer to this question.
It could be as simple as making sure people don't assume she's funded by Trump.Delete
She had been clear, but it's easy to see how people might neglect to support her believing that she's formally on Trump's team.
And, I'm sure this is giving them too much credit, but maybe they think there is advantage in letting people think there is a rift.
Supposedly, the Dominion spokesman was ...ReplyDelete
“ ... Press Secretary for Vice Presidential candidate Paul Ryan, Press Secretary for Speaker of the House John Boehner, and Senior Advisor for Policy and Communications for the 2016 Jeb Bush Presidential campaign.“
He’s a hired gun. Dominion could not send anyone from them directly. Guess they learned from one of their acquisitions, Diebold.
Oh, youtube recently took down the link to Bev Harris’ “Hacking Democracy.” Imagine that.
But here’s another one ...
Now I'll sleep well.Delete
Meanwhile, this out of Michigan:ReplyDelete
Michigan Canvass Board Republican: ‘Need Evidence’ to Delay Certification of Votes
A Republican on the Michigan Board of Canvassers said he would vote to delay the certification of the state’s Electoral College votes if more information is provided.
“I can vote yes or no on certification and I could vote to delay certification,” said Norm Shinkle, who is one of two Republicans on the board, reported Newsmax. “But before I do that, I need the evidence [of problems in the vote-count] and I need it in 48 hours.”
Shinkle said he wants “to see” what President Donald Trump’s legal team has “in terms of hard evidence,” adding that he has “had a lot of questions about Dominion Voting Systems and about the role of the ‘Rock the Vote,'” a Democratic turnout organization.
Rock the Vote is a progressive organization aimed at young people. I think it is another of Soros’s involvements, but isn’t just about everything subversive tied to him these days?
Some Soros-related organizations for young persons:
League of Young Voters, Equal Justice Works, United States Student Association (USSA), Rock the Vote and La Raza put together got $16,344,000 in Soros funding between 2000 and 2010. Two additional groups are indirectly connected to Soros: StudentNation, a project of The Nation which is has been funded by Soros and is part of the Media Consortium, and Campus Progress, part of the Soros-funded Center for American Progress.
"And, at this point, reflects not too well on those who rushed to judgment."
First, Turley should figure out whose team he's on. And then lay off the too smart by a half stuff. Or go back to Mensa himself.
The Powerline guys were very quick off the mark, too.Delete
Turley is stricly on "Team Turley".Delete
Turley has a good thing going with this election. He is a hot commodity at Fox. And probably elsewhere. He was being a smart aleck. As for being on a team, I’d say he’d probably say he was on Team Constitution.Delete
He admits he is a Democrat. On this, he has seemed to try to stay neutral, but he has his moments. His agreeing with me is not essential to my wellbeing.
Powerline is a mixed bag. Hinderaker has usually been the most right-leaning; Mirengoff might as well be a #NeverTrumper. I guess I became fond of Hinderaker when he went after the WaPo guy for being nasty about President Trump’s supposedly mocking a crippled journo. It was rubbish and Hinderaker had a swell time pointing out that the WaPo itself had refuted whatever this muckraker was trying to stir up. As for the others there, I don’t see enough of them to know how they roll. Or care. Does it really matter? They are op-ed writers. Just more media types. I like it when Hinderaker agrees with me and ignore him when he doesn’t. I don’t read Mirengoff.
@Bebe - spot on! Best over @ Powerline’s are Hindraker & Johnson. Mirengoff is a resident of Montgomery County, MD & as a native MD’er myself I can state with unequivocal certitude that Montgomery County is invested (or is that “infested”?) with six figure bureaucratic spillover from DC & they vote accordingly for the Deep State.Delete
That stain won’t come off him.
Hinderaker just jumped into Mirengoff’s pool with this gem, whch may be what Mark was referring to yesterday:Delete
Trump Team Disowns Powell
And the headline writer can’t be blamed for running amok. John is pretty snarky, too. So, goodbye John. Goodbye Powerline.
(Wonder how these hacks will want their crow served - fried, stewed, broiled or fricaseed?)
(Some years back, Boarwild, I almost ended up living in Montgomery County. Mercifully fate interceded…)
Art of the Deal....somebody wants the " Kracken " cut from the herd? The " background" associated with the press release reflects that her statements exceeds the evidence...somebody obviously needs some dealing room cause Sydney Apparently has the "goods" and the desire to use the Long Knives. Hope the Trump Team got something good for of it....cause I'm backing Sydney!ReplyDelete
1. Sidney Powell accused Georgia Governor Kemp and the SoS (both R) of taking bribes in relation to the Dominion deals of the State Georgia and I understand that is part of - perhaps an important part of - her expected law suit in Georgia. She said she can prove iy in court. Not really appropriate/practical/good if this is done together with the Trump campaign and the RNC other Republicans? Even if they are RINOs.ReplyDelete
2. I suspect that it was not only Democrats who were in on Dominiongate and there are probably Republicans involved as well and they used it to their advantage in some races and in primaries. Maybe this goes farther than just Kemp and Raffensperger?
Similar accusations against Georgia Gov and SoS came from Lin Wood who added "Defamation law is my friend. I speak the truth", goading them to sue him.
3. There are advantages to separate a lot of issues that SP highlighted from the Trump campaign and from President Trump. This fight that SP announced goes far beyond the mere question of proving Trump's win on November 3rd even if the presidential election is what moves us most at the moment.
Perhaps this statement is the signal for SP to strike hard.
I went to defendingtherepublic.org and donated & would encourage others to do the same.ReplyDelete
So did I.Delete
Did it. Twice. Thank God for Sidney Powell.Delete
I have now, as well.Delete
I've never contributed to a political campaign in my life.
But my dollars are needed for this fight.
Listen to the Howie Carr interview (14:04 long) with Sidney on GP. FF to the 8:00 mark (re: internet information) and to the 14:00 mark (info on Bernie/AOC/DoD employee). She seems to be talking too much.ReplyDelete
Thank you for this post, and all the responses. I too will sleep well tonight after this clarification.ReplyDelete
I still don't understand why Trump supporters get so concerned over the appearance of chaos, real or imagined, surrounding Trump or his team during some happening. Trump thrives on chaos, feeds off of it and probably sometimes creates it himself for his purposes. And chaos has never once stopped Trump from accomplishing what he's intending to accomplish. This time will be like all the others.ReplyDelete
Andrew, to minds that must go from A to B to C, and could never ever jump out to P or U or W, see chaos everywhere there is independent thinking and creativity. They are only comfortable with what appears to be orderly and predictable. Thinking that stays within the box. That is why so many don’t understand Donald J. Trump.Delete
I just wonder if 'practicing on her own' gives her fexibility that she wouldnt have being on the campaign. Especially given the nature of the allegations. Maybe this is strategery on their part.ReplyDelete
Someone on another forum said that it gave her the ability to receive unlimited contributions. I have no idea whether that was part of her retaining her independent status.Delete
I still believe Rudy and Jenna were miffed about something. Sidney was certainly getting a lot of attention.
Thanks - very interesting!ReplyDelete
What a small world...
TexasDudeNovember 22, 2020 at 7:27 PM
Supposedly, the Dominion spokesman was ...
“ ... Press Secretary for Vice Presidential candidate Paul Ryan, Press Secretary for Speaker of the House John Boehner, and Senior Advisor for Policy and Communications for the 2016 Jeb Bush Presidential campaign.“
Perhaps the issues is as simple as the fact that Powell has made it clear she intends to expose the wrongdoing, regardless of what the collateral damage is.ReplyDelete
Trump's Legal Team, and the RNC team, cannot afford to undercut GOP politicians while fighting to get the an accurate vote count, or prevent certification if the results are unreliable.
The risk of Powell's efforts causing collateral damage to GOP politicians necessitates a bright line distinction between her effort and efforts by Trump campaign and RNC.
It may be as simple as that.
For example, if Powell's work jeopardizes the GOP Senate candidates in GA Senate runoff races because they corruptly beat primary challengers, Trump's team and the RNC do not want to highlight that, for to do so jeopardizes GOP control of the Senate.
Powell has made it clear she doesn't care who gets taken out by exposing the corruption in GA. IOW, her objective is larger than what Trump campaign and RNC want to focus on.
That alone is sufficient to require Powell's effort be separate from the Trump campaign and RNC efforts.
Making sense of the news about Sidney PowellReplyDelete
Classic Trump. The media will be talking about Sidney for a week. Now he will make an end run around them. Classic.ReplyDelete
Love and agree with where you're going with this Mike!Delete
Here is Powell's statement and the link to donate. "Let the chips fall where they may." https://mailchi.mp/2270aefe51e4/statement-from-sidney-powell-to-we-the-people?e=3b0771afd3ReplyDelete
Mark, what is the possibility that "cutting Sidney loose" from the Trump Campaign and President Trump, clears the way for a current Administration official(s) to give testimony/evidence without running into legal issues / challenge? Hatch Act or whatever?ReplyDelete
That's an interesting perspective, Mark, but I doubt it's a factor. Speaking as a former government employee, government employees/officials--including political appointees confirmed by the Senate, like an AG, testify all the time. Anyone with relevant testimony to offer can be sworn in to tell the truth and offer that testimony. That cannot be construed as participating in a political campaign.Delete
I personally believed the reason they made it clear Sidney frickin Powell was independent is to give Trump plausible deniability when Sidney frickin Powell exposes the GOP complicity in the election fraud. Just makes things simpler.Delete
Sorry if this sounds naive but no one has ever accused me of being a deep thinker. If SP is moving out on her own, can her work impact President Trump’s election chances given the abbreviated timeline they’re working under? I certainly hope that SP can tear down this rotten structure but it seems as if her work is going to take a long time.ReplyDelete
Great conversations here by the way. Happy I found the blog
Eric, it's not that SP is 'moving out on her own.' The statements are simply confirmation that she always HAS been on her own. That's always been how she works. If she can adduce the evidence she's been talking about, yes, she can influence the outcome.Delete
Haven't seen this mentioned anywhere... in Powell's interview with Larry O'connor, she says (4 min in):ReplyDelete
"there are devices on the internet that can see it (the ballot changes) as they're happening, and multiple people have seen it, and we have pictures of it happening"
What kind of devices are those? NSA? Or would they be terminals attached to the Dominion system? Or "hackers" who have gained access and have reported to her?
I did notice that, too, and my immediate reaction was: NSA? Others may want to weigh in on this, but I suspect that much of this could have been observed by people who knew where to look and when to look.Delete
My presumption from the start has been that she has just such people ready to testify, people who knew wwhere to look and when to look. She has been offering up the venezualan as a hint to what she has but the real force is going to be current / former IC people or computer forensics experts who were somehow able in real time to montior the activity and capture it. There are all kinds of cybersecurity devices capable of capturing evidence like this if you now WHEN and WHERE to look. compare packets on either side of the WHEN and wHERE point to isolate the change. This would abasolutely be something an NSA oeprator would know how to do, but isn't out of the realm for many Cybersecurity professionals, key is just that -- knowing when and where to look. I think Sidney has such people who have the evidence, but it is explosive and I think it is going to take tremendous courage and tremendous guile to bring it forward...Delete
"knowing when and where to look."Delete
That begs the question, who did the looking? Was it part of Trump's team? That would mean his team set the trap (whoever "his team" is in this context) and he was fully prepared.
There is some buzz out there that "the Kraken" may actually refer to a DoD program created under Bush II called Kraken that can vacuum up data as you suggest. Jerry Prather talks about itDelete
Not sure if this has any validity.
Here's a thread from Monsieur America, re Patrick Byrne and what he's been up to. Looks like he's the one who hired a "crack team of hackers" last summer...Delete
She’s being paid by a 501c3 making it illegal for her to represent a political campaign - she is representing the votersReplyDelete
According to her website Ms Powell's fund is a tax exempt 501c4, not a 501c3. A 501c4 is a "social welfare organization" (not a charitable organization) which is permitted to engage in certain political activities.
But your point may well still be very valid.
I assume Rudy et al are being paid by the Trump Campaign and contributions to the Trump Campaign are, of course, campaign contributions subject to applicable law.
As you suggest, it may well be that contributions to Ms Powell's fund are not campaign contributions.
If this is the case then yesterday's tempest was...in a teapot.