Below is a transcript of an excerpt from a Warroom round table featuring Steve Bannon, Robert Malone, and Peter Navarro. Rather than talking about scientific data this discussion is more focused on what you could call the political aspect of the Covid Regime.
For my money, Bannon makes the really important point. Scientism is like a cult--its adherents aren't going to pivot to the facts. In that regard Malone--heartfelt and cogent as his observations are--comes across a bit like someone in 1917 Russia arguing that the Bolsheviks need to let the economists just do their job. Also, characterizing Scientism as a 'religion' misses the point and mischaracterizes a Neo-gnostic cult for something that it isn't--it isn't 'religion', not in any recognizably Christian sense. To mischaracterize it in this way, like calling Bolshevism a 'political party', is to seriously underestimate the danger.
I'll follow the transcript with some tweets that kinda riff off these themes--the disregard for data, the cultish nature of the Ruling Elite's approach:
Navarro: What we've learned today in this hour is that we cannot vaccinate an entire population into the teeth of a pandemic and expect to solve the problem. The whole strategy that is being adopted in the United States--and followed by places like Australia--is fundamentally wrong. As Dr. Malone said, the authoritarianism that we are witnessing now is inconsistent with the science. So, I would simply say to the White House, to the Mass Media, to everyone in between, This is a life or death situation. Quit the politics, look at the science, and for the science we have here the best person in the world--Doc Malone, what say you?
Malone: Thanks, Peter. I really wanna underscore what you just said. We've gotta stop this authoritarian messaging. It's driving people into their foxholes, it's making them less likely to accept vaccine. This is absolutely counter productive and it doesn't work with the science. We've gotta get back to evidence based medical practice, and it's quite clear from the CDC's own slide deck--if you have a reproductive coefficient like chickenpox, about 8 for an R naught, our current vaccines plus rigorous masking will not stop this virus from spreading. It's in the CDC's own slide deck. That's what's got the Media in such a tail-twist. It's, when you look at those data, we can't get there from here! So we're doing stuff that is gonna drive viral evolution to be able to further escape vaccines, we're doing it in an authoritarian fashion. All the rules are being broken. The fundamental rules of clinical ethics have just been thrown out the door--and it's not good science! What we need to do ...
Navarro: They're forcing people to take a vaccine that can do great harm to you--is that not correct?
Malone: In some people it can cause great harm--that's true. We don't yet know how to predict which those are gonna be, so it's a roll of the dice.
Bannon: Let me jump in here. You guys are missing one of the fundamental points. What Dr. Malone is talking about, what--remember, he's not an anti-vaxxer, he's dedicated his life to vaccines--this is not science. This is Scientism. What we have is the high church's theology of Scientism by Tony 'High Priest' Fauci. That's what's got us into this situation! It's not data based. It's not evidence based. It's not science based. It does not rely upon people like Dr. Malone that are prepared to do the hypotheses and check the data and be forthright--and particularly in areas that they may feel uncomfortable about saying, Hey, we don't know about this yet! Scientism is what got us in this position, and Tony Fauci ... That's why you don't see Tony Fauci up talking about this. He's gotta figure out what the next big lie is. He's regrouping right now, Dr. Malone, as you know--cuz you know him very well. Tony Fauci right now is sitting there thinking, How ... He ain't gonna have a great pivot. He's gonna have a quadruple down. Dr. Malone, your thoughts--we got a couple minutes--about Fauci and Scientism versus science.
Malone: You're dead on! And other people--really deep intellectual thinkers--have been pointing this out from the Social Science side, is that science has a tendency to go towards a religion. And we're seeing the consequences of that type of True Believer Group-Think that has been propagated in an amazing way across the whole world, because of this interface between public policy, the interests of Big Pharma, and Mass Media--Mainstream Media and Big Tech--are all forcing Big Lie, this Group-Think, on everybody across the world. It's amazing!
What we gotta do is get back to emphasizing treating patients as soon as they get the disease with these imperfect but largely effective agents that are available. We hafta stop the censorship and blocking of communication and information sharing and retaliation of physicians that are just trying to practice their craft. And we need to get back to precision evidence based medicine that's guided by laboratory test values, not by some edict from above about how Thou Shalt Treat This Agent. And the docs can get us there--I have complete confidence--if they're allowed to and if they're not put in a position where they have to comport with the gospel truth as put down by the NIH and the NAIAD and the CDC, and reinforced by Mainstream Media and Big Tech. That's what we've got going right now and it's bad science--it's killing people. At some point people are gonna do studies and demonstrate the number of people that have died because the public policy of only focusing on vaccines, and now we've got not just me saying it, we've got Pfizer saying it. OK,what better validation do you need?
So, here's a great chart that shows how the facts and data have changed--mortality and casedemic figures are no longer in sync. But the Ruling Elite has doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down:
This is awkward... pic.twitter.com/O1cZ7LLTSC— Dave Collum (@DavidBCollum) July 31, 2021
Malone makes a very similar point--this time regarding the way Fauci and others continue to hide basic data that should be public. He's responding to Fauci's statement "Amount of virus in breakthrough delta cases 'almost identical' to unvaccinated". Almost identical? Higher? Lower? C'mon, man!
"Almost Identical" sounds a lot like a modified limited hangout to me. C'mon, we can handle it. Show us the data. Enough of your spin please. Stop hiding.https://t.co/YstGcRZ23Z— Robert W Malone, MD (@RWMaloneMD) August 1, 2021
Re authoritarianism ... how's this for authoritarianism? We've been there before, but the scale of what's going on is unprecedented:
Very slippery slope, my friends. https://t.co/6EQ9KDRVBU— Robert W Malone, MD (@RWMaloneMD) August 1, 2021
Who are these people? Cultists, not experts:
I strongly recommend Thomas Kuhn's book "Structure of Scientific Revolutions" and that of Irving Janus titled "Victims of Groupthink". This "Priesthood" approach is the enemy of good science. Did you know that Art Kaplan's training is not as a bioethicist, but rather a Priest?— Robert W Malone, MD (@RWMaloneMD) August 1, 2021
Finally, the full video of the round table is here. It's worth watching if you're one of those people--as most of us are--still trying to come to grips with the science of the virus, the vaccines, the side effects, etc. The good thing is that the science discussions are front loaded. Malone's explanations are in depth but accessible and hard hitting. Highly recommended.