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Wednesday, December 9, 2020

Briefly Noted: Roberts' Folly

John Roberts, by foolishly allowing--on a 4-4 decision--the Pennsylvania Supreme Court to unconstitutionally rewrite Pennsylvania's election laws, has managed to maneuver the SCOTUS into a damned if you do, damned if you don't position. Half the states, with Texas at their head, are now calling the SCOTUS to account. No matter what the SCOTUS does at this point one half of the country will be angry and will claim they were cheated. While not everyone would have been happy had the SCOTUS dealt with the illegalities before the election, the Court would at least have had a better chance of convincing the nation that they were acting on constitutional principle. Realistically speaking, any such hope is probably gone. And this state of affairs is largely Roberts' doing.

The SCOTUS will take another hit to its prestige, almost no matter what. And, since the other justices are surely angrily aware of what Roberts has done, any illusions Roberts may have had of being a Chief Justice who could be a leader have probably already gone down the drain. He has marginalized himself while also weakening the Court.


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  1. Roberts should resign - he is clearly compromised. By what we don't know, nor do I care to. Mr. balls and strikes has clearly lost the strike zone and he should do the honorable thing.

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    1. I have suspected blackmail. The Obamacare last minute change and the resulting train wreck of an opinion reminded me of Denton blinking "torture" in Hanoi. Given what the Clintons did with FBI files and Obama/Biden did with contractors and the NSA, would anyone be surprised that Democrats would use blackmail?

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    2. I have been saying he should be impeached ever since that disastrous Obamacare decision where he took it upon himself to rewrite law from the bench!

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    3. They serve while on good behavior. It is time, due to his diminishing mental capacity, for the Senate to remove him. Period, no if and or butts. Yes I know then you have a 4-4 court till another reliable person is appointed.

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    4. Isn’t he probably the same ‘John Roberts’ whose name was on the lists of Epstein’s fly list?

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    5. I think we need to just have a re-vote in every state. Then nobody has time to cheat. That way nobody can say that they were cheated out of their vote. Problem solved..

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    6. @InfidelNumberOneDecember 10, 2020 at 8:50 AM

      Count again...

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    7. I agree with Stan. Ever since the Obamacare ruling, I’ve suspected he must be compromised in some way and being blackmailed. I wonder what they have on him.

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    8. His adopted “Honduran” kids is what they have on him. Handsome little red headed fairskinned tykes. Definitely not Latino. Probably trafficked from Ireland in violation of Irish and international law. Plus he completed adoptions in a year so bribes probably involved.

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    9. Either Eipstein island or his illegal adoption of his kids. Clearly unobjective anymore

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    10. Brian,I too have been convinced since the OBamacare debacle, Roberts IS a compromised man
      Is it his name on the Flying Lolita manifest, visiting Epstein’s orgy island?

      Is it the ILLEGAL ADOPTION ofmBoth his children?

      Or is it something far more damaging?
      Roberts MUST be removed and the only way that can be done is by impeaching him
      OR take that blackmail material to him, suggest he RESIGN OR BE IMPEACHED

      Either way, John Roberts is a Traitor to America

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    11. Roberts is a big disappointment. He should not hold a negative opinion toward our President and vote as a politician rather than a judge on the highest court in the land. He does not set authority of the use of the constitution for his guide, just his need to be part of a political group in Washington DC.

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  2. I could care less about the 'prestige' of the Roberts' court. I do care that Roberts appears to have a personal animosity toward the president and those who support him.

    One could call Roberts wishy-washy, but he isn't. He is deliberate in his thinking and decision making which makes him an activist jurist. Under what judicial principle did he take it upon himself to rewrite Obamacare? What was the underlying principle that he voted with the liberals endorsing the Pennsylvania supreme court overriding its own state law? The man is not tethered to principle at all - only outcomes; just like the liberal politicians he seems to serve.

    DJL

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  3. Roberts is weak. I guess we'll never know if he was compromised somehow, but one thing we now know for sure: he may be guileful--but he is not very smart. He was not able to see (two moves ahead on the chess board) that he can-kicking would catch up to him. And his contention that judges aren't political was simply laughable. Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

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  4. At the Rubicon: rule in favor of Trump or all the Chinese shit gets exposed? Then martial law? The "elites" are stupid.

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    1. That's Exactly what has to happen!! And The American Citizens are Willing and Ready for That!! That's The Only Right thing to do at this point!!!

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  5. There is rumor out there that Ghislaine Maxwell was the real brains behind the operation, not Jeffrey Epstein (who did not kill himself of course). She may be able tk shed light on whether the John Roberts name found on the Pedophile Island flight logs is none other than our inscrutable CJ. Inquiring minds want to know.

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    1. He should be empeached

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    2. I can assure he was on those flights multiple times.

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    3. The fact is, someone does know. Many people know, including, I believe, President Trump. At the right time, it will be disclosed ( I hope).

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  6. I know why you hang this on Roberts, but, really, Breyer, especially, knew better, and Kagan and Sotomayor knew, too. None of them belong on the Supreme Court.

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    1. That's like blaming Lenin, Stalin and Mao for being communist mass murderers. It's their raison d'etre.
      Roberts, on the other hand, at one time pretended to a little integrity and rationality. He was elevated to the SCOTUS at a pivotal time wherein he could have established himself as another Daniel come to judgment. Instead he's just another pygmy vying for the Strange New Respect award.

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    2. Sad, but unutterably true. Breyer, with more years in than Kagan and Sotomayor, should have seen this coming, but all three are Associate Justices, so ... Roberts is an enigma. Read most of his opinions and you're impressed, but then, something like this.

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    3. Good point. Also, it would only be the conservative justices who are upset with Roberts's move to not deal with the PA issue before the election. That decision seemed like a "supremely" bad idea even at the time, but the faction Roberts voted with would have been happy to allow state courts and administrators to upend voting procedures set by legislatures whenever they want.

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    4. The curtain has been pulled back, and it turns out that the cowardly lion really is a coward.

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    5. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

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  7. As long as the "Whistleblower" remain anonymous, all is well with Chief Justice Roberts. What a joke he has made of himself and of his legacy.

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  8. Most GOpe and Democrats did not expect Trump to fight in court any election fraud.

    And they did not expect a state, Texas, with 22 others supporting, to bring a case.

    And nobody expected this level of fraud.

    And the GOP was not prepared to counter the fraud. Probably a remnant of the consent decree.

    And there seems to be a LOT of gop types that deliberately allowed the fraud to happen (GA Governor and Secretary of State).

    And this is not even bringing up the dominion software.

    Or the white hot anger of Trump voters of having their vote stolen, that has created a Massive red pilling. The left, deep state, msm, and GOPe seem to be in denial on this. Fox News is an example of the backlash.

    Roberts is trying so hard to play it safe, but ends up making it worse.

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    1. My belief, as well, Ray. After 4 years they still haven't taken the measure of the man--his intelligence and his determination and willingness to fight. They thought he'd be run out of town with his tail between his legs. Not gonna happen. If and when he leaves, it'll be with his head held high.

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  9. Roberts is a huge disappointment. To be a top Justice you rely on the Constitution as your backbone. Roberts listens to other voices and has no backbone at all. He is spineless.

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    1. History Will of Course Remember him as Such!!

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  10. President Eisenhower always said the biggest mistake he ever made was appointing Earl Warren as Chief Justice and we're still suffering all the ramifications of that decision. One thing I know, lifetime appointments have no place in a functioning republic and are offensive to a (at least in principal) free people!

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    1. Most underrated comment of the day! I wholeheartedly CONCUR!

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    2. Agreed. RBG was a good example of the fact that lifetime appointments are ridiculous. She needed to be out ages before she was.

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  11. Off topic, but a video wherein a lawyer summarizes Trump's 2018 executive order and how it applies to the 2020 election:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2MkvWh7poY

    Seems as though election will most likely be voided in most states, at least those which used the Dominion machines. 45 days after the election is 12/18. Be prepared. Have plenty of popcorn and a front row seat.

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    1. And be prepared for the social communist left to lose their minds! Trump knows they will go out into the streets of the major cities to “burn them down” which is what had been threatened prior to the election. Not only do you need your popcorn, some folks may need to utilize their 2nd amendment rights to bear arms! Antifa & BLM are waiting to inflict their damage. Martial law very well may be implemented.

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    2. The Texas v. PA, MI, WI, GA hit out of the blue. What hellfire missiles might DNI Ratcliff have on deck to drop on criminal strongholds? 'Within 45 days from election date'. Friday Dec 18.

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  12. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-tb11okydc

    In that 20m video, Viva Frei highlights important parts of the lawsuit filed by Texas.

    What Roberts did could be described as feckless and/or foolish. But when you listen to Viva Frei describe the massive scope of the fraud committed by the Democrats (in collusion with the RINO Georgia administration), you'll see that Roberts' decision only played a very tiny part of the plan that the Democrats engineered to win the 2020 election.

    To be sure, Roberts should be criticized (as well as Bush 43, who nominated Roberts and also made him Chief Justice). Conservatives should just note what Roberts did but more importantly, we must focus our attention and energy on how the Democrats violated state election laws in the four defendant states.

    Listening to Viva Frei read out parts of the Texas lawsuit should make you understand the nature of the modern leftist. They've adopted the Stalin/Lenin Communist Party model of behavior. They are totally without morals and are utterly committed and ruthless.

    Conservatives need to understand the enemy (and I say that deliberately, the Democrats are no longer merely political opponents) and act accordingly.

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    1. I’m afraid that too many people who vote Dem only read/watch MSM news and have no idea who they are supporting. If only there were an alternative media...

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    2. that video has been removed, left now moving fast?

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    3. You are 100% correct. Nailed it

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  13. and we're stuck with him for another 20 years at least.

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    1. I suspect not. I predict he will resign if Biden is elected and Biden will get to appoint an even more liberal judge, especially if the senate is overturned.

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  14. OT but kinda funny:

    "TUCKER: “The real threat we face as a country is from the Communist Government of China, which... has long been in bed with our Democratic elites, in some cases literally in bed.. and yes we’re looking at you @ericswalwell you lying creep.”"

    https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1336844285078073346

    Frank

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  15. Nah, I don't think the Roberts court is going to convince very many people that they "acted on principle". Way too late for that.

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  16. I agree that Roberts blew it by not getting this issue decided before the election. But if you accept that his goal is to protect the Court as an institution (rather than that he is compromised), then I think he now has a different task ahead of him.

    If there are 5 conservative votes to do "something" to correct this mess., then the goal of Roberts-the-institutionalist should be to bring as many of the three remaining votes along with the majority so that there is a semblance that this is a non-partisan decision. Roberts knows that a 6-3 vote on the merits is far better from an institutional perspective than a 5-4 vote. What he really wants in this situation is at least a 7th vote on the merits.

    How he makes that happen depends in part upon how united the presumed-five in the majority are about a remedy. I can see Roberts brokering a decision that has more than six votes to say that TX has a right to pursue the case and that it prevails on the merits. In exchange, he gets a weaker remedy than "the five" might otherwise be willing to agree to. And I can see Gorsuch being a little bit on the wobbly side in term of granting strong relief if there is a weaker option, such that Roberts might have some negotiating room.

    I've said all along that I think the solution for the Court is to find a way to toss it back to the states. So, for example, suppose the five are prepared to say that the offending states' electoral votes may not be reported (thereby tossing it to the House of Representatives to vote by state delegation). I could see Roberts brokering a deal that gives each of the state legislatures three options: (1) hold a snap election; (2) the state's legislature appoints the electors; or the state does not cast any electoral votes, thereby leaving it to the House (assuming that the other states' actions are not sufficient to give one candidate at least 270 votes). From Roberts' perspective, that provides the weakest remedy that he is likely to be able to deliver. If that were the remedy, there are very few of us that would bet the house that the result would be a Trump inauguration in January. There are too many feckless politicians in state legislatures and the House to be able to predict what might happen. So from Roberts’ perspective, it’s removing the Court from “deciding” the election as much as possible.

    Assuming that there are five votes to do something, I expect Roberts to, at a minimum concur on the merits, if not join. He might accompany a concurrence on the merits with a dissent on the relief granted. If he joins the majority (rather than concurs) on the merits but dissents from the relief granted, I think (but am not certain of this) that he still gets to decide who will author the opinion, which also allows him to have more control over the breadth of the decision and makes it easier for him to try to bring a 7th vote along.

    Andy S.

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    1. Fortunately the conservative justices are probably more measured than I am. If I were one of the 5, I would intentionally create as radical a remedy as possible just to 1-keep him off my side, and 2-prevent him from having a smarmy hand in the majority opinion.

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    2. I see Roberts' influence with the 5 conservatives at a very low ebb. What reason in the world do they have to listen to him? They don't need his vote--although more is good. They've seen him make a pig's breakfast of virtually every controversial case he's touched. They have every reason not to trust him.

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    3. Roberts reportedly has a seizure disorder. The 'seizing' activity can be ongoing (during the course of a day) and have the same effect of a head injury as his brain is most likely damaged (scar tissue?). This injury may have further impaired Robert's emotional/psychological development in life which could explain (but not justify) his behavior.

      Many people with head injuries are not allowed to practice law/medicine due to cognitive problems, including short-term memory (recall) and word finding problems, etc.

      Roberts should consider filing disability and leave the Court up to the adults. But then, the liberal children would have to also resign from the Court.

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  17. I see no way to get a 7th vote in anything that helps Trump.
    > makes it easier for him to try to bring a 7th vote along.

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  18. Roberts isn't "blowing" anything. He obviously being blackmailed by handlers.

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  19. One day soon, Justice Roberts will stand before THE JUDGE OF THE UNIVERSE, Creator of heaven and earth! If he dies a list man,being a Supreme Court Justice will be the least of his worries!

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  20. Roberts should remand himself to divorce court if this is how he’s going to act on the bench.

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  21. Adopted daughters and Epstein island attendee?

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  22. Blame the state courts and officials. They knew what they were doing.

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  23. And anger should be directed at the state officials. They knew exactly what they were doing.

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  24. Roberts has clearly violated his oath of office to protect and defend the constitution. If he has any integrity left, he must resign period.

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  25. Roberts set his legacy when he determined the Obamacare mandate was illegal. He should have stopped there... But instead opined that it could be made a tax. That defined him because it was an over reach. The court was not asked if they could make it a tax. The vast majority of this nation know the election was rife with fraud. But sadly, we are down to the possible opinion of this man - who is certainly no constitutionalist. Tragic is the only word that comes to mind. Tragic that he has aided such an UN American cause...

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    1. How sad but in my opinion is true. He no doubt is moral and reflects integrity to reach the position of a Supreme Court Justice, but has had all along judgement lapses. not thinking through lasting reality in consequences.

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    2. Huh? You suggest, Anon, that he is confused.

      I suggest he knows exactly where he's going.

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  26. Scotus needs to follow the constitution and the laws of this land! 18 states have filed suit with regards to the fraud and irregularities that went on in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan and Wisconsin! If the states are allowed to certify these fraudulent votes, then those 18+ other states votes have been diluted! If this election is allowed to be certified for Joe Biden – then we have lost our free republic of the United States! Scotus needs to do what is right and lawful, Since these other four states don’t have the courage to do that!

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  27. At this point we are a nat hair from disolving the Republic.

    The majority that voted for Trump will refuse to be Governed if Biden is in fact inserted as POTUS as more Fraud is exposed daily.

    Election Integrity can be said is what holds us together.

    Does anyone really trust any decision from SCOTUS?

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    1. We could see "red" states take substantive action, should the court refuse to set things right:
      They could set up highway checkpoints, and refuse commercial shipping from or to the questionable states.
      And, they could refuse federalization of law enforcement or military, with explicit references to Biden as illegitimate.

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  28. CJ Roberts may possibly be in the closet. Would be perfect target for blackmail.

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  29. 61 comments and running for a Briefly Noted post.

    Ya think Roberts' outrageous behavior over the last many years has maybe struck a nerve or two? ;^>

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    1. It sure has. I get it, but I'm still a bit stunned.

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    2. Seeing as he was a Dubya guy, I'm not stunned by his BS.
      Seeing as Alito was a Dubya guy, I'm sorta stunned by his decency (incl. about lockdowns).

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    3. It is easy to cast these kinds of e-turds, but its been in Reddit and Quora ever since Epstein didn't kill himself: what are the odds CJ Roberts is the same 'John Roberts' as named in the logs of the Lolita Express? It's not like 'John Roberts' is an uncommon name, but given the level of "elites" Epstein, Podesta, Maxwell, Clinton's ran with...

      Probably this started as a web rumor but you have to wonder why* its never been definitively squashed as character assassination.



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    4. It's also not as if nobody has tried to find out who this particular John Roberts was. It's very curious.

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  30. Thomas is due for retirement, but I think he wants to see Roberts punished for his lack of constitutional justice.

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  31. Recount only the ballots that can be verified and matched to the voter that cast it. Throw out the rest!

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  32. He lost all creditability with me when he made the unconstitutional ruling on Obamacare! He is nothing now but a compromised idiot in the wrong position!

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  33. Why hasn't the true reason for his credibility been discovered? Where does the money trail go?

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