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@shipwreckedcrew
Absolutely. This indictment is an invitation to plead guilty. This isn't even close to what they would actually try her on if she decides to fight.

@NoChromeHD
Your thoughts. Have they held back of more recent serious charges as further leverage? A superseding indictment perhaps?
4:04 PM · Jul 3, 2020
@shipwreckedcrew
Yes.

@SuzieWarrior
Are you saying that if she doesn't plead guilty, there will be superseding indictments? Because I couldn't believe how little they charged her with, and such old crimes. Is that why they didn't charge her with sex trafficking specifically?
4:45 PM · Jul 3, 2020
@shipwreckedcrew
Funny how CNN didn't manage to get footage of the arrest of Ghislaine Maxwell's house in New Hampshire, nor did the FBI think it was necessary to make the arrest at dawn.
No cameras, arrest happens at 8:30 am.
Raise your hand if you think the Special Counsel tipped CNN re Stone.
4:44 PM · Jul 3, 2020
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The real question is: Does DoJ have any plans for a deal? Are they offering this "invitation to plead guilty" with or without strings--requirements for cooperation? Such an invitation in a very high profile case would normally suggest the government is seeking cooperation.
Another advantage of only charging her with a few old crimes: DOJ does not have to expose the evidence they have related to the crimes (involving others) they didn't charge her with.
ReplyDeleteThis keeps other targets in the dark, while motivating her to roll over on the big fish.
I very much hope so. I'd be pretty surprised if it just stopped with her. One indication was the head of the FBI in NY basically taunting "Prince" Andrew to come and cooperate. That doesn't happen without pretty much all of DoJ being on board with it.
DeleteWith all the past baggage of DOJ negative actions / decisions / history with Epstein, the DOJ probably wants to make progress quickly. And cooperation is probably the best route.
ReplyDeleteExamples:
1. Joke of a plea deal with Alex Acosta
2. Not searching Epstein’s property immediately, but waiting months.
3. Epstein’s suicide
4. Ghislaine Maxwell Hiding for months in the US.
Ghislane Maxwell's pending incarceration is a potential booby trap for Barr that he would be wise to preempt. No sane person believes that Epstein committed suicide, and the Deep State's risk with Maxwell is no less severe than it was with Epstein. It is not the potential testimony against famous pedophiles that the Deep State fears most, but rather the complicit role of Israel's Mossad and the blackmail of politicians around the globe that is the most explosive and damaging reveal. Those tactics are still in play by many governments, and a notorious scandal would open the door to many uncomfortable investigations and revelations.
ReplyDeleteIf Trump is truly serious about draining the swamp, then Barr likely has the green light to move ahead in this arena, but Maxwell will not live to testify if she is held in standard incarceration. She would be wise to flip quickly and opt for witness protection, and Trump should authorize the Secret Service to provide that service. Wray cannot be trusted.
I understand that Barr wants to restore "regular order" to the operations of all DoJ components, but I agree that this can't be treated as business as usual.
DeleteHowever, ...
She's in DoJ custody. Treasury (Secret Service) has no jurisdiction over her.
WITSEC is run by USMS and one does not "opt" for WITSEC. If the gov't determined that witness protection was necessary, the witness could agree or decline. It's also not what most people probably imagine it to be.
DeleteAs for ensuring the personal safety of a cooperating witness, that can be directed and accomplished without WITSEC.
Thanks for picking up on that. Many years ago I had some dealings with that program and should have expanded beyond what I said.
DeleteLooking at the larger picture, it seems to me that Barr is trying to put down a revolution by using nothing but the criminal justice system.
DeleteIf he can do it, then he's both one of the smartest and luckiest people who ever lived, and I wish he was young enough to serve a couple terms as president.
Having said that, obviously if Maxwell indeed has significant information of interest to the gov't, one can reasonably assume she and her attorneys would be looking to cut a deal to avoid spending the remainder of her life in prison, if that's what she's facing. She'd be a fool not to. It also appears the gov't is holding that door open. So, depending on what she knows, and who and what it involves, she could very well end up in WITSEC at some point. Maybe a nice secluded million-dollar "cottage" in the woods somewhere.
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"trying to put down a revolution by using nothing but the criminal justice system."
DeleteWhy not try that way, since the Perps launched an (unprecedented?) bid, for a revolution by using, not troops or street goons, but only the criminal justice system, and Intel system(s).
The only revolutions (in major democratic systems) to remotely compare with this, were those led by Mussolini & Adolf, in that both guys leveraged parts of democratic institutions, to sabotage the other parts.
But, in both those cases, "extra-legal" violence was far more prominent, than was happening here (until this last month +).
Often attributed to Twain is a quote, along lines of "History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes."
Another, but quite weak, analogy is, the fall of France's 4th Republic.
DeleteWeak, in that, insofar as De Gaulle sought "revolution" at all, it was only to salvage most of the essence of the 4th Republic.
"That doesn't happen without pretty much all of DoJ being on board".
ReplyDeleteI must wonder how crucial it is, for "pretty much all of DoJ being on board" with Durham's pursuit of coup Perps.
Will Barr face hard choices, about letting Durham chase these perps, even if the DoJ isn't "all on board" on this matter?
Or, should we assume that he'll have no trouble lining up those ducks?
When I said "pretty much all of DoJ" I meant the chain of command. That runs from FBI NYO to FBIHQ to Barr, but also from USA SDNY to Barr. I wasn't talking about the people who take orders.
DeleteJust a hunch that the same DOJ/FBI public servants that were handing out immunity to the Chappaqua Madam's hirelings are no longer employed at these once great agencies. Perhaps there will actually be some real justice... We can hope.
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OK.
ReplyDeleteSo, I take it, we should assume that the bad guys have no way to sabotage the chain, w/ in Durham's command, or up to Barr's staff, otherwise key stuff would've been leaking all over hell?
https://nypost.com/2020/07/04/whos-afraid-of-ghislaine-maxwell-everyone-on-this-list/
ReplyDeleteNot a very sexy lot.
And there are plenty more.
DeleteThe location and conditions of her confinement needs to be sufficiently miserable until she agrees to co-operate, and then maybe move her to a nicer place with the threat of going back if she is not completely honest about what she knows.
ReplyDeleteIf sh does commit suicide, my guess is that he lawyer will bring in what is needed to accomplish the goal.
Superseding Indictment just filed.
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