I just finished watching a very interesting hour and a quarter interview with Dr. Robert Malone. The interview is in English, but was done for an Italian audience, so it has Italian subtitles. As you can imagine, with an hour and a quarter in hand, the interview covers a lot of ground. It mostly features Malone doing the talking. He've very thorough, very careful to qualify every statement that needs qualifying, but is also quite forthright at times. It's perhaps one of the most in depth discussions of Covid available.
I found his explanation of the Spike Protein's relationship to the vaccines quite enlightening, so I've done a transcript of most of that portion. From there I give a summary of some other highlights--but I couldn't cover everything. If you go on to watch the video yourself, you'll realize it's fairly dense.
Read these excerpts and summaries for what they're worth.
"[The Spike protein] has an 'open' conformation that it uses to bind to its receptor, and then it undergoes a change in structure that makes it so that the virus can penetrate the cell membrane and stick its own genetic material into your cells and cause your cells to start making more viruses, OK? So this is the thing that we want to block! We want to make it so that this thing can't do that, can't bind to its target! And we would like to have the antibodies that do it. So there are mutations introduced into the Spike receptor binding domain for all of these vaccines that cause it to stay locked into an 'open' conformation. But otherwise it's a normal Spike protein that's produced by the virus when it infects.
"Now, [Spike] is not only an antigen. There are many other proteins that this virus makes. [Spike] was just kinda the easy thing. We sometimes use the phrase, the low hanging fruit. Things that are easy to pick--not the hard stuff higher up in the tree, but the easy low stuff. Sometimes the low hanging fruit may look easy to get, but maybe sometimes it's a bit rotten--to carry with the metaphor. And what wasn't understood when it was decided to focus only on Spike was that Spike has many activities of its own. It's not just an antigen, it's not just a receptor binding protein--it does a lot of other stuff. A lot of other stuff that the virus uses to manipulate your immune system and your inflammatory response in ways that are associated with the disease Covid, the hyper inflammatory syndrome."
In other words, the production of Spike that the vaccine causes leads to effects in the human body that are similar to the effects caused by the disease itself. This is a very important point, and Malone gets into it in more detail later on.
"So what we have are first generation vaccines--adenovirus or mRNA--that are genetic vaccines. They put genetic material into your cells, cause those cells to make an antigen and, because of the rush to try to get a vaccine developed as quick as possible, they took the most immunogenic, easy-to-work-with thing, which was the Spike, and they focused on that for all of these [vaccines]. And now in retrospect, maybe that wasn't the best decision, and I suspect that we'll see second and third generation vaccines that use the same platform, the same core technology, because that's gonna be really easy to do ... but they're probably gonna express Spike that has been deactivated so that it's much safer, or fragments of Spike together with other antigens that the virus expresses. Those kinds of strategies. I think we'll see that, and what we're seeing right now are first generation products. And they have some issues."
All that is very understated. Malone goes on to discuss those "some issues", and I personally found "some issues" to be a bit hair raising. He also predicts further revelations regarding side effects for the long term.
Regarding the "rushed" rollout of the vaccine, I'm not as irenic as Malone appears to be. Malone discusses in some detail the failure to conduct what sound like basic toxicological studies on Spike in particular. He's adamant that Spike is toxic and argues strongly that it's likely responsible for most of the side effects. Still, it seems clear that work on coronavirus vaccines has been ongoing for quite a few years, so you have to be skeptical about the notion that 'mistakes were made because of the rush.' Further, Malone is very clear about the issue of safety being paramount with any vaccines. My suspicion is that he was avoiding stepping on certain toes--especially since he indulges in some broadly satirical statements indicated that he's pulling a few punches.
The next question focused on side effects, with special emphasis on cardiac events in children. However Malone's discussion isn't confined only to cardiac effects--it's very informative in general.
As usual he proceeds very methodically. What follows is a summary--often close to his words--with direct quotes included at times. He prefaces his discussion of side effects by noting that we're finally past the point where anyone is claiming that the vaccines are "perfectly safe." They are not. That is now factually established.
Malone first discusses difficulties in assigning responsibility for the side effects. For example, it's relatively easy to assign myocarditis in children as a vaccine side effect because myocarditis virtually never occurs in children. But how about myocarditis in vaccinated adults? That's more difficult to assign to the vaccines, because myocarditis is more common in adults. However he believes that this cardiological side effect--as we know it to exist in children--is associated with a broader issue of "micro-coagulation" or micro clotting. Whoa!
He then raises the issue of whether all the side effects can be assigned to Spike, or whether there may be other causes. He notes that he himself had Covid and experienced things like "brain fogging". But he then moves on to the similarity of some of the acknowledged side effects of both adenovirus and mRNA types of vaccines to effects of Covid the disease. The common denominator in the vaccines and the disease is: Spike. This, he believes, is a strong implication of Spike in most side effects.
Next he presents a series of questions that need answering regarding the role of Spike and its known toxicity in side effects. How exactly does Spike cause these side effects? How much of it is an autoimmune problem? How much is direct toxicity? How much is indirect toxicity through its binding to ACE2? How much is indirect toxicity through binding to vascular endothelial cells or its causing contraction of periscytes [?]--these are the muscular cells that control vascular tone and clamp down and block flow in micro-vessels? These things are still being researched. But it does seem reasonable that many of these adverse events are attributable to the Spike.
"It looks to my eyes like a lot of things were rushed and they didn't really rigorously look at the toxicity." But lack of rigor seems--to my eyes--pretty inexcusable in vaccine development at this point in history.
Malone doesn't shy away from the implications of his questioning. The failure to rigorously research toxicity issues with Spike further implies that we simply can't be certain regarding the overall safety of the vaccines, due to the failure to do thorough studies of toxicity.
Asked for predictions regarding side effects for the long term, Malone states that it's "reasonably likely" we'll see side effects involving autoimmune problems linked to micro coagulation and anti-platelet antibodies. He also more developments regarding autoimmune neuropathy and neurologic issues generally. He's also particularly concerned about potential reproductive health problems, especially in women.
Finally, he adds that there is "fairly robust data, not officially disclosed," to link the vaccines to activation of latent viruses--shingles, herpes, etc. Conclusion? "We're a long ways away from understanding what the long term health consequences are."
ADDENDUM: In the end Malone also comes down in favor of two strategies: 1) Learning to live with this virus as another endemic coronavirus that will attenuate over time, and 2) promoting healthier lifestyles that strengthen immune systems (controlling obesity, Vitamin D, etc.).
Along the way Malone has much more of interest to add regarding ADE--he presents a rather original explanation of how it works that goes into more depth than usual. It's particularly refreshing and enlightening that in this and other areas Malone stresses that all is not fully understood, that scientists are feeling their way to varying degrees. In such circumstances, the tried and true responses to disease seem preferable to wild oscillations of policy dictated--as we increasingly realize--by woke ideology and raw power political ambitions of the elite.
UPDATE: Apparently Malone thought over some of the way he said things in this interview. This morning he did a short Twitter thread re ADE in which he adopts a far more aggressive tone, much more in the vein of assigning blame--to the FDA--regarding the whole failed development process for these vaccines:
Malone has repeatedly suggested that "regulatory capture"--regulatory agencies being controlled by the corporations they're supposed to be regulating--is a reality at FDA.