Thursday, June 11, 2020

Community Standards--Some Community, Some Standards!

No comment necessary, I think--but once again it shows the basic indecency and dishonesty of the those who wish to tear down our constitutional order. AG Barr said the other day that it's "clear" that social media giants like Facebook and Twitter are engaging in "censorship." Now to do something about the problem. Declare them public utilities?

Facebook Says Page Celebrating “Dead Cops” Doesn’t Violate its Community Standards
While it bans page critical of ‘Drag Queen Story Hour’.

Facebook has refused to remove a page celebrating “dead cops,” saying that it does not violate their community standards. 
The page is titled The Only Good Cops Are Dead Cops and openly incites violence against police officers. 
However, when it was reported to Facebook moderators, they reviewed the page and said that although it may be “offensive,” it doesn’t violate any specific community standards. 
Meanwhile, another Facebook page set up by concerned parents that was critical of ‘Drag Queen Story Hour’ was banned by the social media giant
500 Mom Strong was removed for “transphobic language,” including one post that merely stated, “Reminder: Women don’t have to be polite to someone who is making them uncomfortable.” 
However, half a dozen other 500 Mom Strong parody pages set up by LGBT activists were left untouched. 
“When I asked them about the half dozen other fake 500 Mom Strong pages that were put up by drag queens [and] used to parody 500 Mom Strong, I received no answer and the pages are still active,” said founder Anna Hall Bohach.
“There is also a fake profile, created by drag queens, using my name and information that has been reported multiple times by my friends and me that Facebook refuses to remove. I asked the Facebook representative about it and I still have yet to receive an answer,” she added.


  1. Social media is the home for social justice.

    Social is to justice as a fish is to bicycle.

    I've got more.

  2. A big beef I have with the Left is that they think only they're feelings matter. If I offend them, they go to Defcon One. If they offend me, well, I'm white, conservative, middle class, Christian. I had it coming and I shouldn't be so sensitive.

    They fail to see the rank hypocrisy. Worse, some of them do see it and they discount it.

    1. Joe -- As I've said here a few times -- these guys don't have principles or ethical moorings -- or guilt. Its war for them. Didn't they prove that with their unconscionable treatment of Kavanaugh? They will readily go to Defcon One...and will escalate from there. We need to raise our game.

  3. Not sure just where to post this article. Not very well-written, when sorted out it gives some insight into how many and what kind of “complaints” could be part of a nearly two-decade cop’s record. The headline is more inflammatory than it needs to be and some of the information came from a source that is anti-police brutality. Nonetheless, it is interesting. The complaints do not necessarily charge the officer with misdeeds. In at least one case Officer Chauvin was given a medal for the conduct that put a complaint on his record. The writer also mentions - at the very end - how activists use the complaint process to smear a good officer. The complaints stay on the record with no details of what they were for and their resolution.

    Red Flag?: What We Know About 18 Complaints on Cop Who Put Knee to George Floyd’s Neck

  4. From Bebe's link

    “It would be similar to a report of a person who has been arrested a number of times and we have no idea what the charges were or what the outcome was of that case,” he said. “Everyone is entitled to due process under the law and a presumption of innocence.”

    I agree with this.

    Also in the article

    "'The way he behaved with George Floyd was extremely excessive and abusive,' Mangual told The Daily Signal, adding...."

    As a layman, I agree that it looked excessive and abusive. We still haven't heard Chauvin's side of the story and seen the body cam footage.

    1. Mangual, a policy person at the Manhattan Institute, went further than that:

      But I don’t think anyone who hasn’t evaluated those complaints carefully can say that’s prima facie evidence that he shouldn’t have been on the streets to begin with. The nature of his interactions with George Floyd certainly is circumstantial evidence of that, but that’s about as far as it goes.

      Generally, only about 6% to 8% of complaints against officers are sustained, whether by a citizen review board or a police board, Mangual said.

      “Look at the data in New York. A very slim minority of complaints processed in New York are sustained. Most of them are not sustained or [are] found to be unfounded,” he said. “Some police have interactions that are not pleasant. That makes people upset. It doesn’t necessarily mean a rule is violated.”

      And once again, from the Statement of Probable Cause in the Complaint:

      The officers said, “You are talking fine” to Mr. Floyd as he continued to move back and forth. Lane asked, “should we roll him on his side?” and the defendant said, “No, staying put where we got him.” Officer Lane said, “I am worried about excited delirium or whatever.” The defendant said, “That’s why we have him on his stomach.” None of the three officers moved from their positions.

      Officer Lane, a rookie on only his fourth full shift, questioned Floyd’s position. Veteran Officer Chauvin explained.

      The Statement of Probable Cause also verified that no one was sitting on George Floyd… There was no pressure on his body other than Chauvin’s knee and Lane and Keung holding his legs to keep them from moving.

    2. Bebe wrote "Mangual, a policy person at the Manhattan Institute, went further than that:"

      However, I was simply focusing on Mangaul's comment

      "'The way he behaved with George Floyd was extremely excessive and abusive,' Mangual told The Daily Signal, adding...." which is why I added the ellipses.

      How can Mangual state what he says when he wasn't there. My point is that as a layman, yes, it does appear bad, the way Chauvin acted.

      But....none of us were the arresting officer who encountered Floyd. We should let the facts come out.

      Mr. Wauck makes a similar point to mine.

      Good read. Obviously the cops were presented with an extreme case that was overwhelmingly likely to lead to death, no matter what they did. The standard treatment requires restraint until the person can be sedated. But now every AH in the world--liberal and conservative alike--is second guessing the cops. Disgraceful.

  5. Soon the blogosphere will be manned by only the retired…

    So much for the First Amendment...

  6. The average person has never had to deal with a person who is seriously drugged up on the stuff Floyd was found to have in his system, let alone a man whose aunt said he was 6’7 and weighed over 200 lbs. None of those officers came close to that size. Certainly not Chauvin. And have we forgotten already about the risk that accompanies the use of those drugs? A refresher course from those who see them as EMTs and ER staff members:

    By itself, ExDS carries an extremely high mortality risk, with approximately 2/3 of ExDS patients dying in the prehospital setting7 in the absence of any major trauma, physical restraint, or police intervention. Mortality is most strongly associated with respiratory depression, severe hyperthermia, acidemia, or a combination thereof.8 Of these, profound hyperthermia has the strongest association with mortality:9 extreme core temperatures can alter blood–brain barrier permeability, contribute to protein malfunction or degradation, and potentiate glutamate induced neurotoxicity.10

    In other words, extreme intoxication with these drugs can bring on excited delirium with or without police involvement.

    1. Good read. Obviously the cops were presented with an extreme case that was overwhelmingly likely to lead to death, no matter what they did. The standard treatment requires restraint until the person can be sedated. But now every AH in the world--liberal and conservative alike--is second guessing the cops. Disgraceful.

    2. The hyperthermia can be so life-threatening that it is recommended that ice bags be placed on the groin and armpits, cooling mist with a fan be used, a cooling blanket. Just the kind of gear every squad car carries. In case.

      In addition to keeping us safe, and themselves, our police have to take care of the suicidal. They come in all shapes and sizes, some deliberate, some reckless… George Floyd was a stupidly reckless man.

    3. It makes me so mad. No attempted good deed goes unpunished. Obviously, in hind sight, what the cops shoulda done was take their cuffs back and drive away. The guy was gonna die. Instead they tried to keep him alive for the paramedics. BTW, that call with the paramedics ... Nobody's talking about that.

    4. Man who claimed George Floyd and Derek Chauvin "bumped heads" changes story
      CBS Evening News

    5. All of the anecdotes about Floyd and Chauvin at that restaurant were bogus. Ms. Santamaria, former owner, speculated like crazy and the complicit media framed her speculation as though it was facts. She could not say for sure that they’d even known each other.

    6. The detail about Pinney's close relationshp with Floyd would tend to put the lie to his somehow mixing him up with another African-American employee. Pinney was having a swell time with CBS. Went miles over the line with his very detailed anecdotal yarn… Much of that detail is in the CBS News story today:

    7. Not much fact-checking by CBS on that story. Like zero.

      When I first heard GF would've known DC from working at the same bar, I questioned the likelihood that a felon ex-con could be employed as security in an establishment with a liquor license.

      Between the state liquor authority and the liability insurance carrier, it seems highly unlikely.

      But feelings matter, facts don't.

  7. Here’s a snippet from the 50 minute CBS interview with Pinney.

    1. We'll be finding out in the not too distant future that any case against Chauvin is very weak--probably an outright hoax. There are recordings that are not being made available that probably tell the whole story--and it's very different from what the anti-Trumpers want you to believe. This is probably all about keeping blacks down on the Dem plantation.

    2. Mr. Wauck,

      I'll improve your already excellent comment

      "This is probably all about keeping blacks down on the Dem plantation" by taking out the probably.

      This is all about keeping blacks down on the Dem plantation.

    3. For democrats, everything to do with black Americans is really about keeping them on the plantation.

  8. We have yet to see what was on four officers’ body cams. Rookie Lane is out on bail and will probably show up, trying to build his own defense. He has already lied about one thing. He said that he’d told Chauvin they should roll Floyd over on his side and Chauvin did/said nothing. The Statement of Probable Cause says Chauvin explained why not. Lane is also saying that all he did was hold Floyd’s feet. He is a squirrel. As for Pinney’s 50 minute interview, it must have hit the cutting room floor at CBS because all I have been able to find is that snippet posted above with the insufferable reporter Pegues. Ben Crump was salivating over Pinney’s statements because he saw them causing the charge against Chauvin to be elevated to First Degree. Haven’t seen Crump’s reaction to Pinney’s retraction.

    I agree that this case could pretty much fall apart.

    1. The cops weren't EMS trained. They probably were told what to do when they called the paramedics. The article says the patient should be supine, but the cops had him prone--perhaps because they didn't want to uncuff him. Holding the legs, preventing Floyd from banging his head/face by Chauvin using his knee--it was all about standard practice: restrain until he can be sedated. The paramedics got there too late. Not the cops' fault.

    2. You are one of the few sane commentators on the internet regarding this issue. So many other analysts who are normally even-keeled are jumping on the 'convict without evidence' bandwagon.

      I'm not invested in Chauvin's innocence or guilt. I'm invested in evidence, facts, the rule of law, etc.

      I'll say again, most of us have no idea what the cops go through on a daily basis. They protect us from the worst of the worst. We turn on them in a heartbeat. We can't even accord Chauvin and the others a presumption of innocence.

      Then when a cop is killed we all come out and mourn them with crocodile tears. Until the next case where the media and Dems lead this all over again and Benjamin Crump laughs all the way to the bank.

    3. @Joe

      I noticed the same. But keep in mind, back when FBI was running around for years digging holes everywhere looking for a mole, Mark had already pointed him out. Collective hysteria sometimes turns otherwise rational people into raving lunatics. That's among the reasons we expect law enforcement to deal strictly with the facts while remaining emotionally detached as much as possible.

      Could additional irrefutable facts surface that reveal Chauvin and the other three conspired in a dark, smoke-filled room to surreptitiously OD Floyd? Sure. And then Mark would have to re-evaluate his conclusion. But right now, based on all the facts that are publicly known, it's a little disturbing that he's the only one calling it.