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Saturday, September 19, 2020

How Bad Is The Ginsburg Succession War For Dems?

This bad.

In a story put out by the Washington Examiner, a poll conducted by Marquette University (that's in Milwaukee and, no, it's not conservative) showed that overwhelming majorities of voters of all categories--Dem, GOP, Indy--favor doing a confirmation between now and the election.

That poll was taken three days before Ginsburg died.

Some details:


A new poll conducted shortly before the death of Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg revealed that an overwhelming majority of U.S. adults of all political stripes supported holding hearings for a nominee if a vacancy opened on the nation's highest bench.

Marquette University released the survey results on Saturday that showed 67% of adults believed the Senate should hold a hearing if a vacancy occurred during 2020's race, with only 32% opposition — and similar strong numbers across Republicans, Democrats, and independents, who supported holding confirmation hearings at 68-31%, 63-37%, and 71-28% respectively. The poll was completed three days before the death of Ginsburg, the 87-year-old liberal icon who was nominated by President Bill Clinton and confirmed in 1993. Ginsburg earned praise from Democrats and Republicans upon news of her death.


It seems there's no way they'll win. 

48 comments:

  1. If the need to run this poll was obvious to Marquette, I can only assume Trump and McConnell have both gamed out how this will work and are ready for it. I am pleasantly surprised by the results of that poll. Many respondents to the poll had to know RBG was the most likely to need replacing, so the level of positive responses suggest opposition (real opposition, not antifa riots that will be staged) is only the fringe and not mainstream.

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    1. I have to believe that was the case. The seriousness of her condition had to be an open secret to DC insiders.

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    2. I'm still laughing at the tweet from Schumer in 2016:

      "Attn GOP: Senate has confirmed 17 #SCOTUS justices in presidential election years. #DoYourJob"

      https://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/701953299268902912

      Hope this gets lots of airplay

      mikeyinfl

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    3. You did not need to be an insider to know she was going to die withing six months when she started her last round of treatment.

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    4. Appropriating that hashtag…
      Wish I'd seen it before I sent a Tweet to Collins ;>)

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    5. Sounds similar to his “six ways to Sunday” quote regarding the Intelligence community.

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  2. "It seems there's no way they'll win."

    Let us hope not.

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  3. If you're watching Trump in NC this evening (on CSPAN), he's rubbing salt in the democrats' wound. He must have talked for five minutes on Ginsburg's replacement - and being a female. And he keeps going back to it. His attacks on Biden and his worthless son Hunter have been upped a notch as well. Additionally, he keeps bringing attention to the Michigan and Pennsylvania vote rigging rulings. The energy this man has is unbelievable.

    DJL

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  4. The War of the SCOTUS Succession. LOL. Think that would make Cocaine Mitch the Duke of Marlborough...

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  5. Now they riot types are thumping their chests and threatening more of what they do at McConnell’s homes in DC area and Kentucky. Will Biden condemn that rhetoric? My money is on ‘no’… That will win a lot of votes for the Dems/Biden.

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    1. Totally playing into Trump's hands.

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    2. I sure hope that he, the justices, and a handful of other key congress critters are being assigned additional security right now, and wearing some vests any time they are in the open.

      At any other point it would have been verboten and astonishing to even think it... but its just not that out of the realm of possibility at this stage in our history.

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  6. Lots of virtue signalling of the Democrats in that poll- they really didn't expect Ginsburg to actually die before the election, and thus felt free to answer the question the "right way".

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    1. I'm skeptical that that was just virtue signalling--not on a scale like that. Most people would have had a sense that Ginsburg wasn't long for the world. Or even that an accident could occur to any of the justices. Didn't have to be Ginsburg. The poll wasn't about her in particular.

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    2. Of course, the poll wouldn't have been taken but for the Ginsburg situation. Most people would have understood that. Her prognosis was no better than a hope and a prayer to get to November 6th or so.

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    3. "Didn't have to be Ginsburg."

      Indeed, CCP-SARS2 would almost certainly fatal for Thomas or Breyer.

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  7. When RBG's became metastatic, I told a number of people she had less than six months. There is no to win against metastatic pancreatic cancer. Anyone who thinks there is, is living in fantasy land.

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    1. This is true. However, as I say above, the poll wasn't about Ginsburg in particular--although that certainly would have been in everyone's mind.

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  8. I would argue that the Marquette poll is fairly accurate of general sentiment. Current polling reflects political chumming of the water, and will likely subside as the public internalizes what's actually going on.

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  9. I'm waiting for the usual suspects to suggest Putin somehow expedited Ginsburg's death to help Trump.

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    1. Hmmm. Was she slipped Novichok in her chemo?

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    2. Quick, somebody tip Maddow on the batshit phone!

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    3. Heh - I think right now they believe it is to their advantage, and certainly it will energize a demoralized base.

      But once they realize that they cannot help themselves but act like complete cretins before a national audience that is finally paying a lot of attention this close to the election, their tone will shift to boogieman conspiracies very quickly.

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  10. I'm wondering how the confirmation battle will effect the impact of the Durham investigation. Wouldn't it suck if indictments of major player are announced soon and it's unnoticed due to this hysteria? You know the Democrat media won't even mention any indictments and the positive impact for Trump could me minimized. OR if the timing is right, it's a double blow to Biden. Will certainly be getting my popcorn ready!

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    1. This occurred to me also: if and when these indictments come, there was a good chance it was going to be brushed away by media brothels anyway. NOW, with the sexy story of the election cemented, seditionists in our midst may be completely disregarded.

      Given how they treat people as paper napkins to be tossed away the moment their usefulness expires, I would not even be surprised to see them actively participate in piling on for a day or so, before terminating all the "special guest commentators" who may have played a part and simply pretend it never happened.

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    2. The debates coming on the heals of any indictments/developments is how Trump will make sure nothing is ignored. He will not be stopped from making the topic whatever he wants it to be.

      Q: How could you be so evil that you disregard RBG's dying wish to let Joe Biden, next president the US, to pick her replacement?
      Trump: Joe Biden was involved in a scheme to remove me from office, and here was who was indicted for carrying out his orders to go after innocent Americans, including me, for violating their rights with their political witch hunt.

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  11. I used to watch most of the Sunday shows around election time. They've trended left to be sure. I can still watch most of them even if it just means I get to see what liberals think. But Meet the Press with Chuck Todd has gotten to a point of absurdity. Even the introduction of the topics for todays show was ridiculous. "President Trump hopes to replace Justice Ginsberg in an attempt to shake up a race he knows he is losing". That was literally the framing of this topic. More often than not, the truth as reported by Chuck Todd is literally the opposite of what he says.

    So what this tells me is the left is freaked out that this will motivate conservatives. Nothing brings home conservative voters like the SC--even those who are tempted to sit this one out or even vote for Biden because they do not like Trump personally. It will motivate the abortion-at-any-cost vote, but they already were Biden voters and were going to show up anyway.

    In my state of Wisconsin, we saw what motived conservatives vs motivated Dems produced in an election--governor Walker. Yes, this issue ups enthusiasm on the left as well as the right, but I think the right even more so. I hope, anyway.

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    1. That's pretty much where I'm at, too.

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    2. I see that Bloomberg has committed $100 million to defeat Trump in Florida. They must think they have a chance there. Nominating Lagoa
      might put an end to their hopes there. I think he wins there anyway but at the rate New Yorkers and others are moving in, who knows.

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    3. I agree--I think Trump wins FL anyway and the Bloomberg money will be pissed away just as it was during his primary run. I suspect they know FL's a loser and are just doing this out of desperation.

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    4. "the left is freaked out that this will motivate conservatives. Nothing brings home conservative voters like the SC--".
      It shouldn't take the SC to bring out Righties (and indeed, Normies), in a time when antiFa/ BLM are torching cities, after Dem tyrants made folks prisoners in their homes, and whined about protests w/o Social Distancing.
      I'd been already presuming, that the riots and lockdowns would guarantee big Normie turnout for DJT.

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    5. Bloomberg is just a little very wealthy carpetbagger who thinks he can affect change with his bucks. Self-delusion. Most of the country has no idea who he is.

      As for the Dems and their frenzy to put off the confirmation of a new SCOTUS justice, stuff like this from Nancy Pelosi won’t help a bit:

      Pelosi: House has 'arrows in our quiver’ to delay SCOTUS nomination

      https://www.lucianne.com/2020/09/20/pelosi_house_has_arrows_in_our_quiver_to_delay_scotus_nomination_43852.html

      Positioning herself and her party as the destroyers rather than the builders.

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    6. aNM, after what our country has been put through, I believe law and order will be a big seller.

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    7. Martha Roundtree, Lawrence Spivak, and Tim Russert must be rolling in their graves at how low MTP has fallen.

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    8. After Bloomberg proving that it takes more brains to be a farmer than a billionaire I'm sure the DNC is just, like, "Sure Bloomy, just go spend your money where ever." At least Hunter Biden got some fun out of literally blowing through millions.

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    9. The winner in Florida will Trump by 4+ points.

      The current winners are the media consultants and media organizations stealing money from Bloomberg.

      Bloomberg's ego is causing him to think he can make a difference in Florida. After all, that plan worked so well in race for the Democratic nomination.

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    10. Bebe, if it's mot a big seller, this place is likely toast.
      The best, tho slim, hope would be for a fairly bloodless divorce.

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  12. Another question may be how well the Ginsburg succession war will play out for Murkowski. She's already on Alaskans bad side after Kavanaugh and impeachment. I don't see how she survives another primary when she goes against the party and Trump again. There may well be additional positive outcomes from the coming fight for conservatives.

    DJL

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    1. Murkowski....ughh. The GOP needs a new Senator from Alaska. I know she is there despite best efforts to remove her, but she should just declare herself a Democrat and be done with it.

      Collins, on the other hand, I have complete respect for. She is in a very different state, and we need to allow her to do what she needs to retain her office. She is a team player who needs flexibility. Murkowski is not a team player who takes advantage of her team.

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    2. Dare we hope… A glaring case of nepotism, Murkowski was handed her seat in the Senate by her father. If Alaska is the great independent state it purports itself to be, I cannot imagine how she has survived this long.

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  13. Dems are playing defense on the RBG Successor and playing it safe. They are allowing Trump to control the media cycle.

    Perhaps the Democrats are in an echo chamber that believes the shared belief of Orange Man Bad is the best way to win? And any other actions they take risks infighting?

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    1. "They are allowing Trump to control the media cycle."

      A losing strategy--or don't they remember 2016?

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    2. No living member of the Demer Rouge can remember a Republican on offense for more than one news cycle, much less four + years.

      Their entire play book is two pages, single sided, double spaced and their only sentence on defensive tactics is, "Yell racist/misogynist and the Regular Loser will fall into the fetal position immediately." When that doesn't work against Trump they got nothing, other than wailing, "It's not fair."

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    3. I just saw Pelosi’s comments on the House “having some quivers to delay”. I am increasingly convinced she and Biden are using the same doctors.

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  14. I see former Clinton spokesfraud Brian Fallacy is out claiming any Trump pick would be "fundamentally illegitimate" because ... the calendar. Their pathetic and desperate attempts — aided by their media accomplices — to delegitimize every conservative SCOTUS nominee would be laughable if they weren't so willfully disingenuous and disgraceful.

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    1. These nonentities have no idea how ridiculous they sound. Mice can’t roar.

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    2. Dem cheerleader Mike Allen joins the chorus, pulls back the curtain on the Dems’ sure-fire strategery:

      https://www.axios.com/democrats-supreme-court-ginsburg-options-871f3e66-e7a4-4f40-9691-d20de1f4be61.html

      Fallon and Jerry Nadler have a lot to say. And Obie, from his bunker in Kalorama. We should be shaking in our Timberlands...

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