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Wednesday, November 4, 2020

Post Election Thread #1

We may need to do regular updates. I'll try to be more creative with the subject line, but this will have to do to get us started.

First, some reactions--brief excerpts.

Don Surber:


America re-elected President Donald John Trump on Tuesday. Now it is a matter of whether Democrats will concede. They control ballot counting in Michigan and Pennsylvania, and are dragging the election out. It is sedition, and the press will never call them on it.

Democrats have lied and spied on The Donald. They have investigated and impeached. They harp about democracy, and yet they have not accepted the results of the 2016 and 2020 elections.

They control the press, and they control the polls.

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In Red China, Chairman Xi laughs as he pulls the strings of his Democrat Party puppet.

The strangest year of my life continues to get stranger as real Americans and communists wrestle for control.


Roger Kimball:


I have said all along that I thought President Trump would win reelection. The question was whether he would win by a big enough margin to insulate himself from the machinations of fraud, on the one hand, and litigation, on the other. 


I believe that Donald Trump did win the election last night. By my count he had chalked up well over the requisite 270 electoral votes necessary to win reelection. That was a little past midnight. I repaired to the arms of Morpheus confident that November 4 would ratify what was essentially a fait d’accompli [sic; pro tip: don't use foreign language phrases unless you know what you're doing] on the evening of November 3. 


No such luck. No sooner had my head hit the pillow than the Democrats in the urban centers of states where Trump was leading—in Detroit, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Milwaukee—stopped counting the votes. Why would they do this? Because they wanted to stanch the flow of votes going to Trump and buy themselves time to determine how many votes they would need to win. Finding the votes later on is never a problem. That’s what we pay corrupt party apparatchiks to do.


Surber and Kimball are sober analysts of the public square, not given to hyperbole.

Debra Heine says the Trump campaign maintains they're still in line to win AZ:


Replying to
On call, Trump team says Trump will win AZ by 30K votes. Pointing out that their data has been right thus far (including close race in WI when media claimed it would be a Biden blowout)
It will take a couple days, but #AZ still has about 550K votes to count - those are early votes dropped off at polling locations or coming late - those will skew heavily GOP. If it gets to 65% both Trump and McSally would prevail.

A slightly heavier read, but well worthwhile:


A Defunct Republic

Regardless of the outcome of the election, the mask is off America’s managerial elite.

By Pedro Gonzalez

...

Regardless of the outcome of the election, the mask is off the managerial elite, either because they’ve grown so complacent in their power or because they are too confident about the durability of the control they have over our lives.

Barring some catastrophic event, however, the shimmering superstructure of 21st-century government will and must remain in place. So the problem for a right-wing that historically sees itself as the “small” or “limited” government movement emerges: the only way to bend, break, and thus free ourselves from the managerial regime, is to pursue, seize, and consolidate power for ourselves. In other words, complete civil service reform and changing of the guard is essential.

That, however, will be possible only through the embrace and exercise of power in the fashion of Franklin D. Roosevelt. And this means there needs to be a new paradigm of thinking about these matters. There is no task more important than this if we are to take back control of our national destiny.


David Goldman:


Politico.com’s headline this morning reads, “Biden looks screwed even if he wins.” The Republicans kept a Senate majority and reduced the Democratic majority in the House. If Biden squeaks by, he will have no popular mandate, no Senate, and no help from the Supreme Court. He won’t be able to pass tax increases, big changes in health care, or his Green New Deal boondoggles. He will have the same headaches confirming his favorite nominees as Trump did, and worse, as a Republican Senate casts a jaundiced eye at Biden’s supporting cast.

The good news is that the election stymied the Democratic Party’s plan for radical transformation of the United States into an Orwellian state enforcing political correctness, and turning the federal budget into a pinata for Democratic constituencies. That’s the genius of the American political system. To make big changes you need either a big majority or a small majority for a very long time, and the Democrats have neither.


Whether Goldman is right that the Dem's plan for "radical transformation of the United States into an Orwellian state enforcing political correctness" has been stymied is what we all are waiting to see. I'm not as sanguine. The Senate can thwart outrageous appointments that require confirmation, but can do little about the continuing populating of the bureaucracy with radicals and the proliferation of regulations. The courts can help, but they're an unwieldy means of  exercising the type of control and influence that we desperately need.


29 comments:

  1. The Republicans might not have a majority in the Senate.

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    1. This morning, Yancey Ward commented on Althouse's blog:

      ... I would not take comfort right now in holding the Senate- James will likely lose the Michigan race now, and I think the Democrats will definitely win the Georgia runoff election that is already guaranteed to happen, and the other race could well end up by the end of the count to be a second runoff election- Perdue is at just 50.8%.

      While the Republican candidates in both GA Senate races took a combined 50%+ in the elections yesterday, with Trump defeated and the Republicans in Georgia demoralized, the Democrats will surely be prime to win both runoffs, giving them either 50 or 51 Senators come January. ...

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    2. I disagree Mike. James will win Michigan and the special senate runoff in January will be a similar success to Perdue.

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  2. "pursue, seize, and consolidate power for ourselves"

    This is why I favor non-violent divorce. I see neither popular mandate in the overall electorate nor popular will in any given state to sustain such aggressive action.

    Admittedly, I also cannot conceive of any state - at this time - with the popular will to lead my preference for a divorce.

    I know I'm talking about secession, but I prefer to speak of it as divorce because it's not a mere nullification hissy-fit but rather the recognition that we are effectively two different peoples who no longer like each other nor are willing to work with each other, or even perceive the same reality.

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    1. Sadly, I have to agree. The gap is too great to bridge without one side having to capitulate.

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    2. From here on out, it'll be all about Gleichschaltung.

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    3. Gleichschaltung, meaning (among other things), the DS suppressing all consideration, of any options (e.g. divorce) which would even slightly reduce DS power.
      I've been talking about divorce for many months now, but it's now likely too late.
      The famous Beria Quote goes "you show me the man, I'll find you the crime".

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    4. Unfortunately the track record of narcissist predators simply letting their prey walk away is thin to say the least.
      Tom S.

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    5. @Mouse, I almost added a bit addressing your statements...

      All I can say is...things are different. I doubt that your bloodbath predictions will come true in any more than the occasional Waco flare-up. This country is vast and the spaces too far between.

      I'm not asserting that nothing will happen. I just think there is still a ton of inertia on the right and you are too quick to draw direct lines of action from Spain and Germany to this time and place(s).

      And conservatives don't behave that way.

      At this point it is still too easy for too many to see Trump as the outlier and the problem.

      I guess we'll see how things go.

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    6. @ mistcr

      Sorry, divorce isn't an option. This topic has been batted around a bit on this site so i won't rehash all the details. In essence, America is far too intermingled to separate out. This ain't 1860 with Yankees and Rebels. There are no red or blue states. Only Blue Cities and Red Counties. Also, imaginee an independent California, free to negotiate military basing rights with the CCP. Sorry to say, it's all or nothing. We either win this thing called America or...they do. There isn't another option.

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    7. mistcr, the DS guys will be able to gin-up a slew of
      occasional Waco flare-ups in their sleep, but they'll likely have oodles of other options, to incapacitate enough Deplorables to render them politically impotent, if not eventually extinct.

      For starters, any cops who touch so much as a pinkie of a (esp. well-connected) black, will be spun by the MSM as if that black is the new Emmett Till, and will be deluged with federal civil rights charges.
      Quite quickly, other cops will pass The Message to others: Stay Fetal.
      When enough cops do that (to lead to many cities becoming like Mogadishu), TPTB will have "delicious" excuse, to, say, federalize all local PDs, and, soon thereafter, appoint Gauleiters to replace Governors.

      Contrary to your guess, I'm not meaning to draw *direct* lines of action, from Spain and Germany to today's US, and don't need to.
      Whether there is or isn't "a ton of inertia on the right" matters not, to my expectation that the Left will tee off like never before.
      If that inertia isn't shaken, by a slow but consistent campaign toward extinction of Deplorables, then, indeed, these Lefties will continue to enjoy seeing Deplorable heads roll, until Sarah Jeong's "plan" is complete.

      If, by "it is still too easy for too *many* to see Trump as the outlier and the problem", you mean Righties, that's likely true, but irrelevant to my message in *this* thread, except insofar as it encourages the Dems/ DS to try to slowly strangle all effective opposition, so that next to nobody notices.
      the Creeping Totalitarianism.

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    8. @McCoy

      While I appreciate the profound difficulty, it must be done.

      The country may not have been as comingled in 1860, but that conflict pitted brother against brother.

      I have no illusion that it will happen, but it must. Our only chance was a full expose of Deep State-Establishment corruption of sufficient force to shake a critical mass of democrats from their stupor to forge a new unity.

      We've lost multiple generations to Marxist ideology. Are you really certain that gambit was going to succeed? Because the alternative is dominion and suppression with unflagging vigilance. This doesn't strike me as a win-win situation.

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    9. All this quitting and secession talk, and being "prey" ... the talk of losers.

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  3. "The Senate *can* thwart outrageous appointments.... The courts *can* help...."
    Even if they can theoretically do such things, the DS will be free to use *all* means, to prevent/ neuter any such efforts, and to obtain the means, to sabotage all effective opposition from any quarter.
    Tucker, among others, figures to, one way or the other, not be long for this world.
    This one was for all the marbles, and now the Left has the marbles.

    It may take a few more years, than it took Adolf to wrap things up (after 30 Jan. 1933), but the DS should have no trouble ginning-up a Reichstag Fire here, a Kristalnacht there, to make the 2024 election into a pointless joke.
    After which, I presume that the rest of the planet will be on the menu, but that may well be a more complex undertaking.

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    1. @Mouse; speaking of Tucker. I was extremely disappointed with FoxNews last night and more recently. Something's definitely going on there and to give liberals more of a platform while conservatives are shut out everywhere else seems wrong. Probably why OAN, and Newsmax etc... will become the "new" norm.

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    2. One scenario that I have predicted, which plays into your reasoning, is that they will not 25A Biden (wouldn't want to admit he was a puppet) but instead arrange for him to be assassinated.

      Easy to see how that narrative could be construed and weaponized against a despised, if substantial, portion of the electorate.

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    3. mistcr, yeah, if they don't want to admit he was a puppet, they can just give him covid, or otherwise arrange the sort of accident that can incapacitate a 78 year-old.
      A piece of cake.

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    4. @ AmericanCardigan

      The Murdoch boys are full on Globalists (their wives are raving globalists). The old man, and a fat profit, is all that keeps Fox from going full CNN

      @ mistcr

      Joe will be coddled, protected, and largely hidden until Jan 2023. The press can easily make this work while Dr. Jill, Kamala (did I say that right?), and San Fran Nan basically run the country to set up a fuller takeover 2024. If Kamala doesn't take over until Jan 21, 2023 then she can hold the presidency for a full 10 years. Entirely doable. By that time they should have done away with those pesky Constitutional problems like the EC, 2nd A, 1st A, and a few more problematic issues.
      Tom S.

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  4. "The Republicans kept a Senate majority...."

    That's supposing that, without Trump, Republicans won't revert to eagerly accepting a reach-around-across-the-aisle to appear collegial to the press.
    Tom S.

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    1. They'll be accepting a reach-around-across-the-aisle, to appear collegial to the DS, to forestall them experiencing Unfortunate Accidents, from various quarters.

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  5. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/former-mccain-adviser-says-democratic-win-in-az-could-be-senators-revenge

    Some things are funny even in the midst of disaster. Reading through this shows that literally everyone in the DS, DC, and media thought that, deep down in his soul, John McCain was just as shallow, self-centered, petty, and spiteful as everyone I met 50 years ago ever said he was. What a rousing tribute.

    A narcissist only has two possible tracks of thought regarding relationships: dominance or revenge for thwarting dominance.
    Tom S.

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  6. I suggest rereading "The Diary of Anne Frank".......

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  7. The maligned media will call it for hiden biden tonight.

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  8. Arizona Secretary of State Urges Caution; It Appears There Was a Major Vote Counting Error
    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/11/04/it-appears-there-was-a-major-vote-counting-error-in-arizona-n2579447

    FiveThirtyEight says a batch of 23,277 votes in Philadelphia has been reported, all for Joe Biden
    https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/04/fivethirtyeight-says-a-batch-of-23277-votes-in-philadelphia-has-been-reported-all-for-joe-biden/

    Military Ballots Found in the Trash in Pennsylvania—Most Were Trump Votes
    https://pjmedia.com/election/matt-margolis/2020/09/24/military-ballots-found-in-the-trash-in-pennsylvania-all-were-trump-votes-n964614

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    1. Re the last link--it answers Ray So-Cal's query: Why isn't the FBI interested? Answer, the FBI is interested, as the article shows, but they're interested in doing an investigation of a crime, not in fixing an election. Fixing an election needs to be done NOW. FBI investigations of this sort don't happen that fast. Ask yourself, how would I begin, how would I proceed, how long would that take--if I ever got solid evidence? It's not that easy.

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    2. Exactly. FBI doesn't run in and correct alleged election irregularities.

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  9. Mark and Anon,

    I agree with both of you regarding the FBI can't run in and fix an election.

    They however had PLENTY of time to slow waltz into endless piles of illegal activity pre and post the last election and simply chose not to.

    I don't think anyone can argue that behavior like we saw in 2016 didn't just compile and blow up in 2020.

    The witch hunt / spygate / Flynn / unmasking / leaking / etc been put into play it would have ended the years long MSM narratives and shown many people especially Trump in a much different way to voters. I'd even go as far to say you could have a few of those MSM talking heads in jail at this moment.

    I say the DoJ in a whole is high-fives and holding on AZ and NV to pop corks for a job well undone.

    Numerous avenues, numerous crimes, numerous players. Too numerous of a big ole ball of wax conspiracy case.

    Sorry to spout off, I just cannot not say it. đŸ™„

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  10. C. 15 minutes ago, Fox was showing Grinnell's presser, about NV fraud.
    A white woman spoke, about how her bid to vote was unfairly blocked.
    Then, a black guy (poll watcher?) started to speak about what he'd seen, but after maybe 1 minute, Fox *broke* away from him, not to other *breaking* news, but to Hemmer with Andy McC, on *technical* legal aspects of such dustups.

    I could see Fox doing this, had the black guy been droning on for 5+ minutes, but to cut coverage, so soon after he started his story, reeks of biased journalism.

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