tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post8298144753029476592..comments2023-10-19T21:48:56.560-05:00Comments on meaning in history: UPDATED: Michael van der Veen Speaks--And How!mark wauckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-23589296122878761462021-02-16T02:06:05.616-06:002021-02-16T02:06:05.616-06:00"It's true re Euros generally--so many fe..."It's true re Euros generally--so many feel able to speak about the US without basic information."<br /><br />I spent 10 years in Western Europe and its generally true. But we have millions of "Coastal" progressives right here in the US who are functionally illiterate about their own country and about 10s of millions of Americans in 'flyover' states. Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-34515288554119568492021-02-15T17:56:55.101-06:002021-02-15T17:56:55.101-06:00Using npr as an example is Rhetoric.Using npr as an example is Rhetoric.Ray - SoCalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293232996007277071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-91578610442535040692021-02-15T17:49:30.776-06:002021-02-15T17:49:30.776-06:00@dfp21
Yes, or maybe back to the MacNeil Lehrer Re...@dfp21<br />Yes, or maybe back to the MacNeil Lehrer Report (when we didn't know any better...)Cassanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11255275730299959627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-70209002651456027252021-02-15T17:22:55.214-06:002021-02-15T17:22:55.214-06:00Maybe he's remembering back when NPR dumped Ga...Maybe he's remembering back when NPR dumped Garrison Keillor for being caught doing what Democrats almost always do to people when they have power.Deplorable Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04720288972263783908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-25895407604626139832021-02-15T14:37:28.382-06:002021-02-15T14:37:28.382-06:00@Bentwood
I think he misspoke. I'm giving him ...@Bentwood<br />I think he <i>misspoke</i>. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. :-)Cassanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11255275730299959627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-41890644898496263442021-02-15T13:36:39.497-06:002021-02-15T13:36:39.497-06:00I don`t understand why R Senators or Reps continue...I don`t understand why R Senators or Reps continue to go on CNN etc, as long as there are no ground rules. Why don`t they insist on being allowed to speak without interruption, or they won`t go on?<br /><br />Surely the exposure is not worth the hassle of being treated so contemptuously?<br /><br />Do they get a big sum of money for going on? What else is in it for them?<br /><br />FrankAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-29801188365567630992021-02-15T13:15:40.228-06:002021-02-15T13:15:40.228-06:00Van der Veen spoke of NPR as being the paragon of ...Van der Veen spoke of NPR as being the paragon of virtue in the news business. Since when? They seem every bit as biased against Trump to me as any of the others. Bentwoodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-27478933862559983832021-02-15T12:54:22.802-06:002021-02-15T12:54:22.802-06:00I was an American teenager living in Belgium the 1...I was an American teenager living in Belgium the 1970s. Dinner with a Belgian family, including their 20-something son in the Belgian Air Force. The guy wanted to debate the relative skills of American vs Belgian pilots with me (an ignorant 13-year-old American boy), and then he wanted to arm-wrestle me in the living room. My dad interrupted before I got my arm broken.<br /><br />There you have Deplorable Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04720288972263783908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-30076815213008695562021-02-15T12:34:14.988-06:002021-02-15T12:34:14.988-06:00My wife is a French country girl whom I met & ...My wife is a French country girl whom I met & married during my 10 year Cold War stint in Europe "protecting our country", sigh. She converses regularly with her siblings who are deluged with nothing but anti-Trump "news" such that they cannot understand why any of us deplorables would actually vote for such a dummkopf, so to speak. And, when I visit there, the "Hotlanta Hippiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16019546809736756263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-54294695471252937152021-02-15T12:11:14.506-06:002021-02-15T12:11:14.506-06:00Until Donald Trump came along, we didn’t see much ...Until Donald Trump came along, we didn’t see much passion on our side. He was not afraid to be passionate about our country. Van Der Veen was passionate about what he had to say. What he had seen in the “trial”. The lies, the absence of investigation, the manipulation of so-called “evidence”. The use of “reports” and “reportedly” as “facts”. The House manager shenanigans that would never Bebenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-7266982802478196062021-02-15T11:16:44.821-06:002021-02-15T11:16:44.821-06:00What I can't understand is how they are shown ...What I can't understand is how they are shown the deceptive editing side by side and it doesn't matter to them. They simply repeat their claims. How can we get to a middle ground when we have such different ways of representing basic reality? sawadikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022747361030452117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-3974279440294279612021-02-15T11:07:48.169-06:002021-02-15T11:07:48.169-06:00It's true re Euros generally--so many feel abl...It's true re Euros generally--so many feel able to speak about the US without basic information. I suppose they see the effect of some of our policies on the rest of the world and extrapolate to what they think people here are like. Big disconnect. Understandable in some respects because the US is a far more difficult country to come to grips with than outsiders realize. Well, some of us who mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-80458560267645320312021-02-15T10:59:17.826-06:002021-02-15T10:59:17.826-06:00Some have a fascination with all things British, a...Some have a fascination with all things British, as though they are somehow superior to us. I got along quite well for decades without being imperiled by not paying attention to what the Daily Mail said. I didn’t even know that it existed. I was taught by my parents to read numerous publications (there were three newspapers in the house every day) and we discussed the news, much as we do Bebenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-14817092183058366812021-02-15T10:56:03.335-06:002021-02-15T10:56:03.335-06:00I am so glad that someone can speak with clarity a...I am so glad that someone can speak with clarity and forcefulness . The Dems have been yelling over the conservative viewpoints for years. I am ready for some of their impolite kind of speech on my side.Dave's Daily Day Dreamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17491764990082380190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-37871406685149242642021-02-15T10:52:30.837-06:002021-02-15T10:52:30.837-06:00Recall that Trump had a big Philly law firm on ret...Recall that Trump had a big Philly law firm on retainer set to into action right after the election. Once they were named it only took a day or so for them to announce they were reneging on their contract after coming under this same sort of assault Bentwoodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-64595624416978158742021-02-15T10:40:08.160-06:002021-02-15T10:40:08.160-06:00In case anyone is wondering--slow comment enabling...In case anyone is wondering--slow comment enabling--we're having big internet problems today.mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-73534569417431944652021-02-15T10:35:16.501-06:002021-02-15T10:35:16.501-06:00Hotlanta Hipplie -"Heck, I wouldn't read ...Hotlanta Hipplie -"Heck, I wouldn't read anything from Fleet Street if I was looking for "serious reporting"...I think Jim Hacker nailed it here."<br /><br />Trouble is that the British papers are much better than the U.S. papers. I tell people if I want to know what is going on in America I read the British papers. That was pretty much true until about Q2 2020 when you Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-64315416714128585312021-02-15T09:06:21.836-06:002021-02-15T09:06:21.836-06:00I think it is pointless to understand anything tha...I think it is pointless to understand anything that transpires on CBS or any other media outlet for that matter as anything other than a rhetorical battle. DC wants you to believe this political rhetoric, these narratives somehow describe or are concerned with reality but they do not. The most telling moment was when Mr. Van der Veen called out the CBS flak on her "fact pattern". Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-88897884206012715862021-02-15T08:42:51.870-06:002021-02-15T08:42:51.870-06:00Does it cause you sometimes to not say things you ...Does it cause you sometimes to not say things you would like to say? It does me.Mike Edmonsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09715497998545552826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-68161761864888507912021-02-15T08:16:09.781-06:002021-02-15T08:16:09.781-06:00Van Der Veen’s mentions a middle ground. Maybe som...Van Der Veen’s mentions a middle ground. Maybe someone here knows on what subject a middle ground can be found, I can't think of any. Mark does it ever cross your mind that your blog would be one of the sites monitored for wrong speak?Mike Edmonsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09715497998545552826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-4519288073235483242021-02-15T00:28:09.502-06:002021-02-15T00:28:09.502-06:00While I doubt anyone who reads here takes the Dail...While I doubt anyone who reads here takes the Daily Mail seriously, many others do and we ignore the effect such a tabloid has on their thinking at our peril, sigh...(of course, now that Harry's wife is preggers again, the world could end tomorrow and the DM would report it below the fold, so to speak, but I digress).<br /><br />Heck, I wouldn't read anything from Fleet Street if I was Hotlanta Hippiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16019546809736756263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-72168794360006665702021-02-14T20:58:15.233-06:002021-02-14T20:58:15.233-06:00Not only is he blunt and authentic but he is very ...Not only is he blunt and authentic but he is very very smart. That surely scares the Dems.sawadikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022747361030452117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-22400598869454159042021-02-14T20:55:52.198-06:002021-02-14T20:55:52.198-06:00Yes, of course that is the bottom line. I am just ...Yes, of course that is the bottom line. I am just curious why no one has noted that the first part of his statement would have been a more direct clue into his state of mind, namely that he didn't believe that his supporters were engaging in violence. I haven't heard anyone raise that point. Instead, all of the focus was on the second part, which was much more open to interpretation, evensawadikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022747361030452117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-83934758628505444742021-02-14T19:47:49.465-06:002021-02-14T19:47:49.465-06:00Van Der Veen’s middle ground comment came when he ...Van Der Veen’s middle ground comment came when he was telling the media that they were at fault for keeping the temperature up too high. That things had to cool down. That there were many very important things that the Congress had to accomplish for the good of the country, things that of necessity required a lowering of the temperature so there could be an attempt to find middle ground. He Bebenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-43711462805966082062021-02-14T19:38:54.828-06:002021-02-14T19:38:54.828-06:00Many have faulted the President’s use of twitter f...Many have faulted the President’s use of twitter for his communication with the people. The Buetler thing is a perfect example of why he found he had to do it. From Day One he would have been misquoted, or his remarks taken out of context and pretzeled into some opponent’s propaganda against him. His own words were pretty clear. Spare. Blunt. (Blunt: uncompromisingly straightforward, Bebenoreply@blogger.com