tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post734820945357586854..comments2023-10-19T21:48:56.560-05:00Comments on meaning in history: UPDATED: Re Social Media As Public Accommodationsmark wauckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-67825714646378760642019-06-10T21:52:23.233-05:002019-06-10T21:52:23.233-05:00heh, 69 too.heh, 69 too.mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-10837783708268677752019-06-10T21:47:27.528-05:002019-06-10T21:47:27.528-05:00LOL -- Mark -- I'm a push reel guy, too...for ...LOL -- Mark -- I'm a push reel guy, too...for the same reasons. There aren't too many of us left...last summer I had to go 25 miles to find somebody to sharpen my reel. :) I love the cardio and, at 69, I can't get enough cardio! Cheers, CassanderCassandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-18408935439595265482019-06-10T19:52:04.946-05:002019-06-10T19:52:04.946-05:00Thanks for the informed comment. I used it above f...Thanks for the informed comment. I used it above for an update.mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-76781123145703555662019-06-10T18:57:40.435-05:002019-06-10T18:57:40.435-05:00Social media platforms should be treated as common...Social media platforms should be treated as common carriers--no different than any other communication network.<br /><br />If they prefer to restrict access (censorship), then they are in fact publishers responsible and liable for their content.<br /><br />The angle social media is playing is to censor content, restrict access, and have no liability as a common carrier.<br /><br />A civil right Forbeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08397667344368400622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-22115838561207186752019-06-10T16:10:25.848-05:002019-06-10T16:10:25.848-05:00As I said, I think standard 1st Amendment law coul...As I said, I think standard 1st Amendment law could deal with any real problems--no right to shout "fire" in a crowded theater, etc. But "our values"? Please.mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-15488793407952148632019-06-10T16:02:56.031-05:002019-06-10T16:02:56.031-05:00I think Federal law could deal with by freeing Fac...I think Federal law could deal with by freeing Facebook, Twitter, and Google (and others) from being sued for libel- but to get this protection, they have to allow <i>all users</i> unfettered access to publication. <br /><br />Right now, Twitter <i>etal</i> are hiding behind the claim that they are responsible for the content that appears on their services- and, to honest, they are <i>legally</iYancey Wardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16427042729449397357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-29191507339828472252019-06-10T15:08:33.932-05:002019-06-10T15:08:33.932-05:00The push mower gives me about the best exercise I ...The push mower gives me about the best exercise I can get these days. Low impact, good cardio.mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-53408261719223122992019-06-10T14:51:52.946-05:002019-06-10T14:51:52.946-05:00I do as well, with an electric push mower. I admi...I do as well, with an electric push mower. I admire you for using the old reel mower and hope that you have a small lawn. And I love that you are using a reel mower. When I was a very small lad, my dad had one, too, and reading your comment made my smile at the pleasant flashback of Dad.<br /><br />Veering way off topic, I have an Ego battery-operated mower. I love it. I liked my gas mowers Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-54016852768468344642019-06-10T14:45:42.284-05:002019-06-10T14:45:42.284-05:00I operate my own grass cutting service--for myself...I operate my own grass cutting service--for myself only--with my reel push mower. :-)mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-43604710606238630512019-06-10T14:33:15.043-05:002019-06-10T14:33:15.043-05:00Mr. Wauck,
You are making some of the same argume...Mr. Wauck,<br /><br />You are making some of the same arguments that I have made regarding Google receiving USG assistance. I agree with all your points. <br /><br />Also, speaking for me personally, if I operated a grass-cutting business, I would gladly serve gays. But if I closed my grass-cutting business and became a wedding photographer or a wedding cake baker, I could not participate if Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-81881007952220154812019-06-10T14:17:03.280-05:002019-06-10T14:17:03.280-05:00There are other factors that also come into play.
...There are other factors that also come into play.<br /><br />1. Google, in its origins, received significant assistance from the USG.<br /><br />2. Social media continues to benefit from the public sector in various ways.<br /><br />3. Social media established their monopoly, drawing in all comers including conservatives, then with the monopoly in place changed--or fiddled with--the rules in an mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-13817425956299968752019-06-10T13:49:36.664-05:002019-06-10T13:49:36.664-05:00"The only limits that I would enforce ...&quo..."The only limits that I would enforce ..."<br /><br />Yes, I don't see why basic 1st Amendment law couldn't handle this.<br /><br />Re Forbes' analogy, I would argue that social media sites are different from publishers. Publishers are typically in the business of presenting their own viewpoints, and there's no lack of publishing platforms--factual circumstances matter. mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-78516849607988198882019-06-10T13:21:03.798-05:002019-06-10T13:21:03.798-05:00One more thing. In a perfectly competitive market...One more thing. In a perfectly competitive marketplace, I would agree with French. If 99% of proprietors would serve blacks, gays, conservatives, Christians, etc., and one percent wouldn't, I'd agree that the marketplace should be left alone.<br /><br />That's not the world that we live in. Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-3488328958402711892019-06-10T13:16:29.998-05:002019-06-10T13:16:29.998-05:00I forgot to cite Will Chamberlain. He has heavily ...I forgot to cite Will Chamberlain. He has heavily influenced my thinking on this topic.Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-61140214442279393022019-06-10T13:14:43.883-05:002019-06-10T13:14:43.883-05:00Mr. Wauck,
Great article! Will Chamberlain wrote...Mr. Wauck,<br /><br />Great article! Will Chamberlain wrote an article at platform access is a civil right. I agree and blogged about it. I received so much blow-back. You can start your own blog, you have no right to the platform, etc. <br /><br />First off, Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter are monopolies. The argument that you can start your own social media platform is absurd. (You can Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-69760832998273735932019-06-10T13:07:42.952-05:002019-06-10T13:07:42.952-05:00From Zmirak's article, here's Will Chamber...From Zmirak's article, here's Will Chamberlain's argument:<br /><br />"In 2019, you don’t have meaningful free speech if you can’t speak on Facebook and Twitter. Sure, you could go to a public park and scream into the ether. And black people who were turned away from motels in the Jim Crow South? They could always sleep in their cars. …<br /><br />"[W]e should focus on mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-20926602615408108622019-06-10T13:04:44.089-05:002019-06-10T13:04:44.089-05:00I'm not sure the analogy between a publisher a...I'm not sure the analogy between a publisher and a social media site works.mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-42323533889740200272019-06-10T12:37:24.724-05:002019-06-10T12:37:24.724-05:00I'd see the analysis in a different vein (I...I'd see the analysis in a different vein (I'm not taking up the French-ian argument), as between a common carrier for communications, or a publisher. The phone company doesn't unreasonably limit your access to the telephone network, nor censor your communications. On the other hand, a publisher doesn't grant you unrestricted access to their publication, and limits (and is Forbeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08397667344368400622noreply@blogger.com