tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post7321996381168605950..comments2023-10-19T21:48:56.560-05:00Comments on meaning in history: The False Pretenses Behind The FBI's Trump-Russia Casemark wauckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-34641172356992629922019-05-10T17:06:19.285-05:002019-05-10T17:06:19.285-05:00By Gray's reasoning, the fact that I have an i...By Gray's reasoning, the fact that I have an intelligence background could be used to argue that this whole blog is an elaborate--or simple minded, depending on POV--ploy to twist the facts. He offers no theoretical benefits for his argument--what does he explain with his view that they're part of the plot, compared to what's explained by them being dupes? I don't see a thing.<br mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-54895155522448970752019-05-10T16:52:01.785-05:002019-05-10T16:52:01.785-05:00Mark
I can't argue with you. I have no backg...Mark <br /><br />I can't argue with you. I have no background in this stuff and only know what I read.<br /><br />I think the only proof Gray offers is that Clovis and Page have military and intelligence (and not political) backgrounds and Papadopoulos might have some intelligence connections in his background, too (Hudson Institute, London Center and Link Campus). Maybe the fact that they Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-72572887118503544692019-05-10T14:32:07.256-05:002019-05-10T14:32:07.256-05:00Here's my problem with Ashton Gray's artic...Here's my problem with Ashton Gray's article--beyond it's absolutely insufferale prose. The core of his thesis is this:<br /><br /><br />***<br /><br />He is a double agent who carefully played his planned role with the Trump campaign to help the CIA and the Five Eyes frame Donald Trump with phony “Russian collusion”—certain at every moment he would never receive any consequences but mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-90142798432993929292019-05-10T13:53:55.401-05:002019-05-10T13:53:55.401-05:00Mark -- I'm posting on this thread because the...Mark -- I'm posting on this thread because the subject matter of my post fits here. But it is really worthy of a new thread.<br /><br />As you know I have posted here several times to express my belief that there is nothing about George Papadopoulos, Carter Page or Sam Clovis that would make me want to hire them on my campaign if I were Donald Trump. They were nobodies. I have expressed theseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-87704704223802185712019-05-07T12:27:22.527-05:002019-05-07T12:27:22.527-05:00I'm really surprised Steyn's article hasn&...I'm really surprised Steyn's article hasn't gotten more play.mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-56169598840602276072019-05-07T10:45:06.458-05:002019-05-07T10:45:06.458-05:00Thanks for the link to the Mark Steyn article, Mar...Thanks for the link to the Mark Steyn article, Mark. Its terrific. Hard to believe its nearly a year old, and even with the release of the 'Mueller (Weissman) Dossier', the Dems, and MSM and Deep State won't let go. <br /><br />FWIW, whether Page, Papadopoulos and Clovis were plants (chosen for their weaknesses), pawns, stooges, dupes or bad guys, the actions of the Obama Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-54143925462182878092019-05-07T08:38:23.650-05:002019-05-07T08:38:23.650-05:00Papadopoulos has expressed another reason why he t...Papadopoulos has expressed another reason why he thought important people were courting him--wanted to meet him and talk to him: he thought it was because, while before he was a nobody, he was now a member of the campaign for POTUS of a major party's candidate--a candidate who was a huge international celebrity in his own right. That's not such a ridiculous notion, and the fact that he mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-91270200770466702992019-05-07T08:33:15.091-05:002019-05-07T08:33:15.091-05:00I don't think there's much doubt that thes...I don't think there's much doubt that these guys were hired by the Trump campaign simply to be able to say that the campaign had foreign policy advisers and really for no other reason. They may have agreed with Trump's views in a general way, but after an initial photo-op meeting as group I don't believe they ever spoke to Trump again--so they clearly weren't going to be mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-85448153660759940642019-05-07T08:16:35.628-05:002019-05-07T08:16:35.628-05:00Gentlemen
No disagreement with your counter argum...Gentlemen<br /><br />No disagreement with your counter arguments. I would only note that Papadopoulos's youth and political inexperience are also factors that make his hiring so improbable -- to the point of inexplicable. Why would you ever hire him?<br /><br />Good question for Lewandowski or Rogers or Clovis or whoever did hire him.<br /><br />I also appreciate the point made above that Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-20844872294748642222019-05-07T07:27:50.278-05:002019-05-07T07:27:50.278-05:00True, people tend to believe what they want to be ...True, people tend to believe what they want to be true, and never more than when you're young and on the make.mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-35852480022878887772019-05-07T00:31:55.049-05:002019-05-07T00:31:55.049-05:00And let's not forget Papadopoulos's youth ...And let's not forget Papadopoulos's youth and political inexperience. No way was he prepared for what got thrown at him. Seems like he'd have been a horrible deep state recruit - how could you count on him not to screw it all up? This one factor - youth - is hardly dispositive, but it sure needs to be thrown into the argument of why he acted as he did and what side he's playing Brad Crawfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12279535300119367177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-61895755137048612562019-05-06T19:56:03.782-05:002019-05-06T19:56:03.782-05:00I hope Trump declassifies both cables. Maybe Charl...I hope Trump declassifies both cables. Maybe Charlie Savage at The Times will write up one of those fancy comparison "news analysis" pieces like he did with AG Barr's letter and the Mueller Report. Jeffreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06570988258427544391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-71231083371937944472019-05-06T19:52:59.825-05:002019-05-06T19:52:59.825-05:00Very thorough! McCarthy rarely goes out on a limb-...Very thorough! McCarthy rarely goes out on a limb--if anything he tends to be cautious. Nor is he prone to criticize the government side. As your analysis shows, he's thought this thing through.mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-63868951544581586642019-05-06T19:47:53.221-05:002019-05-06T19:47:53.221-05:00"THE STATE DEPARTMENT'S report to the FBI..."THE STATE DEPARTMENT'S report to the FBI claiming that Papadopoulos had “suggested” these things to Downer was MANUFACTURED"<br /><br />I believe McCarthy is spot on regarding the who - the State Department - and what they did - manufacture connections.<br /><br />McCarthy writes:<br /><br />"In late July, he personally went to the American embassy in London to report the Jeffreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06570988258427544391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-66475298898734677252019-05-06T18:18:05.928-05:002019-05-06T18:18:05.928-05:00You're absolutely right. That's part of wh...You're absolutely right. That's part of what I meant about him being "on the make." It's real life--people are like that. In intel or LE work you have to expect that and deal with it--to simply equate all lies is simplistic and ultimately can be self defeating. Some lies are what you describe as "small, self serving" ones. Very different than the type of lies a mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-8534710972367187302019-05-06T18:11:32.579-05:002019-05-06T18:11:32.579-05:00Tx. You put it better than I did.Tx. You put it better than I did.mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-65386586334406528772019-05-06T18:11:25.819-05:002019-05-06T18:11:25.819-05:00There is evidence he was lying to the Trump Campai...There is evidence he was lying to the Trump Campaign. He sent an e-mail at one point that claimed he had met the Russian Ambassador to the UK, when he hadn't. A small, self-serving lie, but still a lie. However, I also take his public pushback as evidence he was really a patsy in all of this, same as I do with Page.Yancey Wardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16427042729449397357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-89209763524978422882019-05-06T18:06:45.950-05:002019-05-06T18:06:45.950-05:00I think this theory is precisely correct- it could...I think this theory is precisely correct- it couldn't be publicly admitted that the Australians were running an intelligence operation against Papadopoulos because someone would then ask who, exactly, asked the Australians to do this, which can only have an inconvenient answer.Yancey Wardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16427042729449397357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-28306872538904765932019-05-06T17:25:08.750-05:002019-05-06T17:25:08.750-05:00I'll second all that.I'll second all that.mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-3700359444620935282019-05-06T17:20:20.110-05:002019-05-06T17:20:20.110-05:00Obviously it's difficult to argue for credibil...Obviously it's difficult to argue for credibility in this type of situation. However ...<br /><br />Yes, I assume that Page was regularly contacted by the CIA due to his Russian contacts. I also assume that the FBI closed him as an asset before framing him 1) because he was really a cooperating witness and the case was finally over and 2) they needed him to be a Russian agent. I tend to mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-80014976592875550532019-05-06T17:12:54.847-05:002019-05-06T17:12:54.847-05:00Cassander,
Thank you for this post. As I recall,...Cassander,<br /><br />Thank you for this post. As I recall, DJT had trouble signing up heavyweight policy experts for his campaign because he was so radical in his thinking and represented a threat to the Deep State. When he signed up little-known advisors such as Page and Papa D, I think that this is a reflection of his low standing with the Establishment. I read that he was being needled to Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-33614601291119558322019-05-06T16:43:38.240-05:002019-05-06T16:43:38.240-05:00Mark -- I hear you. Its a briar patch.
But when ...Mark -- I hear you. Its a briar patch. <br /><br />But when you hear Papadopoulos say he doesn't know how or why he was hired by the London Centre of International Law Practice, do you believe him? When he says LCILP felt like a fake store front when he got there (but he kept working there...), do you believe him? When he quits his job at the LCILP to go work for the Trump Campaign, but is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-9238031226491875952019-05-06T16:28:55.570-05:002019-05-06T16:28:55.570-05:00Hi Joe -- Its my comments you're referring to....Hi Joe -- Its my comments you're referring to. Let me first say, I don't know anything for sure. <br /><br />But here're my concerns. <br /><br />Papadopoulos is a nobody. Its not clear why the Trump Campaign would ever hire him. Aparently he worked for the Carson Campaign before 'volunteering' for the Trump Campaign. I wonder if he wasn't a plant from the git-go.<br /><brAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-7117091358733212102019-05-06T16:14:12.264-05:002019-05-06T16:14:12.264-05:00Close to five hundred former US attorneys of vario...Close to five hundred former US attorneys of various stripes have signed a letter stating that the President would've been charged if not for the policy that a sitting president can't be charged. (Notwithstanding Mueller claiming that this provision didn't come into play.)<br /><br />One of the names on the list is, wait for it,.....<br /><br />Mary McCord.<br /><br />You can't Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-80569045385438393782019-05-06T16:09:14.048-05:002019-05-06T16:09:14.048-05:00Works for me.Works for me.mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.com