tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post4040862432470400086..comments2023-10-19T21:48:56.560-05:00Comments on meaning in history: The Carter Page Lawsuit--Clarification And Speculationmark wauckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-23736483275825172102021-01-27T10:11:41.448-06:002021-01-27T10:11:41.448-06:00@Cassander
I totally agree with you on Page, I...@Cassander<br /><br />I totally agree with you on Page, I've had my head caved in for saying he's a IC lackey and likely a plant or a intentional asset of his own making. <br /><br />Some guys just have that 007 wannabe gene, his history is just too long into it for mere coincidence. <br /><br />Even with his lawsuit, or maybe even more so with his lawsuit that narrative fits him history devilmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00256049667739001018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-78804757519098561502021-01-27T06:46:03.494-06:002021-01-27T06:46:03.494-06:00Here is an excellent timeline about Carter Page an...Here is an excellent timeline about Carter Page and his cooperation with both the FBI and CIA. It's damning. <br /><br />https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/01/25/timeline_how_the_fbi_repeatedly_disregarded_evidence_carter_page_was_no_traitor_to_spy_on_him_126877.html<br /><br />Andy S.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766067153038897866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-34405677955644770522021-01-27T06:21:52.329-06:002021-01-27T06:21:52.329-06:00Page could have been a player in the plot, doing e...Page could have been a player in the plot, doing exactly what he had been doing for the FBI and CIA for years, and in that role, he would know what purposes his information was for only so far as his handler wanted him to know.<br /><br />But there is the fact that Page sat for two or three long-form interviews with the FBI without a lawyer. Sure he graduated from the Naval Academy and is a Ph.D.Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12905249632807445459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-64516194859012786152021-01-26T22:40:16.743-06:002021-01-26T22:40:16.743-06:00@Spartacus
I hear you. My theory is rather prepos...@Spartacus<br /><br />I hear you. My theory is rather preposterous. <br /><br />But I'm not sure it matters whether Carter Page had a yearning to volunteer to support Trump or whether his CIA handler suggested it might not be a bad idea to volunteer to support Trump. Either way, the FBI and DoJ subsequently falsely accused him of being a Russian agent and destroyed both his cover career and Cassanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11255275730299959627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-57277036042808829812021-01-26T21:28:46.364-06:002021-01-26T21:28:46.364-06:00Checking all the boxes is why James Comey smirks a...Checking all the boxes is why James Comey smirks at every interaction since then. AmericanCardigannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-82330619403551854822021-01-26T20:12:42.156-06:002021-01-26T20:12:42.156-06:00Cassander - When I heard this theory I thought it ...Cassander - When I heard this theory I thought it had some merit but on further reflection I don't believe it is the case. Carter Page is suing for big bucks and if he was indeed a plant then the people who he is suing would bring that out and the case is over and he is liable for their attorney fees.<br /><br />I am agnostic on this and let's see how this plays out.<br /><br />SpartacusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-2653515081369082172021-01-26T19:41:32.169-06:002021-01-26T19:41:32.169-06:00I suppose I'm a broken record on this...but I ...I suppose I'm a broken record on this...but I think:<br /><br />1. Page was initially recruited by the Conspirators to join the Trump Campaign long before CH was opened to 'keep tabs' on Trump from within. <br /><br />2. Why do I believe this? Because Page is clearly a career CIA (and sometime FBI) operational asset and not a political campaign volunteer. <br /><br />3. The original Cassanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11255275730299959627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-50201849085591197102021-01-26T19:13:21.140-06:002021-01-26T19:13:21.140-06:00Sundance of "The Conservative Treehouse"...Sundance of "The Conservative Treehouse" has an excellent timeline that jives with what you have above. It was a plot within the OBAMA WHITE HOUSE aided and abetted by "read in" DOJ participants like Bruce Ohr. They were working in tandem with the Clinton campaign with the nexus being Fusion GPS.<br /><br />Type FBI spying in the search field and multiple articles with Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-3531854413333417302021-01-26T18:33:25.301-06:002021-01-26T18:33:25.301-06:00I can see that--with ties in that regard to people...I can see that--with ties in that regard to people really central to the whole Clinton org.mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-76139488967201250662021-01-26T18:27:03.296-06:002021-01-26T18:27:03.296-06:00I'm betting Fusion GPS is far more centered in...I'm betting Fusion GPS is far more centered in that story than has been disclosed so far. devilmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00256049667739001018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-40237919846538851652021-01-26T16:48:10.098-06:002021-01-26T16:48:10.098-06:00Something about this timeline doesn't work, bu...Something about this timeline doesn't work, but I'm just a guy from flyover country. According to the complaint, Crossfire Hurricane was opened in July, 2016. <br /><br />But didn't Admiral Rogers order the audits of 702 forms in like...early 2016 (March/April?) That would indicate the spying was happening BEFORE any of the 4 FISA's were filed - the ones they lied to get. <br /Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-21491529732535971092021-01-26T15:51:39.910-06:002021-01-26T15:51:39.910-06:00The Hillary campaign definitely had the cooperatio...The Hillary campaign definitely had the cooperation of legal people at DoJ/FBI as well as in the private sector who would have understood all this, what was needed.mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-92126820578658589752021-01-26T15:49:26.674-06:002021-01-26T15:49:26.674-06:00I'm open to other explanations. One would be t...I'm open to other explanations. One would be that for obvious reasons--Steele's connection to the Hillary campaign--they didn't want to rest the predication for CH squarely on the dossier. That would be why the Downer/Papadopoulos thing was important--threadbare as it was, they still used it for predicating CH. But once CH was open they essentially dropped that angle and immediately mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-18124340375325550572021-01-26T15:45:47.126-06:002021-01-26T15:45:47.126-06:00I think that the difficulty there was in coming up...I think that the difficulty there was in coming up with a plausible example of Page actually acting in an agency capacity. For purposes of FARA you need to take "agent" in the usual legal sense of the term--I'm thinking back to the usual law school course that's probably still called "Agency and Partnership". For FISA purposes you don't really need a formal mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-33778890670757201622021-01-26T15:42:28.853-06:002021-01-26T15:42:28.853-06:00After reading this, I thought of that old saying &...After reading this, I thought of that old saying 'Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence...but the third time is enemy activity'. <br /><br />The chances of Steele 'accidentally' ticking every single legal box for FISA is about the same as producing a computer by shaking a box of sand for 2000 years. <br /><br />Keyword: 'legal'. "...hits on every single necessaryDavenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-68200921451585231522021-01-26T15:25:47.184-06:002021-01-26T15:25:47.184-06:00I've been of the opinion that the whole 'S...I've been of the opinion that the whole 'Steele' scenario was plotted by the FBI and HRC campaign long before Steele got involved, and he was just a stooge to dip the whole mess into a 'foreign intelligence' source to give them cover and credibility. A plotters diversion... Reading the sourcing at the Brookings Institution and Steele's court docs in UK seemed to support Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-16369815759946396942021-01-26T15:22:44.263-06:002021-01-26T15:22:44.263-06:00The Crossfire Hurricane team intended to keep the ...The Crossfire Hurricane team intended to keep the Steele Dossier out of the story, if possible. <br /><br />A fiction was concocted that Michael Gaeta could not figure out how to send the Dossier reports from the Rome Embassy to FBI Headquarters. Because of Gaeta's supposed incompetence, all of the Dossier reports were sent to the Chief Division Counsel at the FBI's New York Field Office,Mike Sylwesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09987402330015664312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-74883235753730426292021-01-26T15:04:25.931-06:002021-01-26T15:04:25.931-06:00Finally, it's at least theoretically possible ...<i>Finally, it's at least theoretically possible for a US Person to be an agent of a foreign power who is involved in clandestine intelligence activities--yet is not violating a criminal statute of the United States.</i><br /><br />I suppose the intention was to concoct a FARA accusation against Carter Page. I'm surprised that they weren't able to do so. Mike Sylwesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09987402330015664312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-76736989240271263092021-01-26T14:54:33.317-06:002021-01-26T14:54:33.317-06:00Very insightful, Mark.
Another key requirement f...Very insightful, Mark. <br /><br />Another key requirement for the FISA application was Alexander Downer's memo about his meeting with George Papadopoulos. That memo created the necessary fiction that Russian Intelligence was collaborating with a member of Trump's campaign staff. <br /><br />I think that Downer was asked to write that memo. He did not write it on his own initiative. I Mike Sylwesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09987402330015664312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-46461570787620508682021-01-26T14:40:19.780-06:002021-01-26T14:40:19.780-06:00I really like your reasoning, Mark. It would certa...I really like your reasoning, Mark. It would certainly be no surprise if the FBI was coaching Steele from the start. Or perhaps Bruce Ohr, a longtime Steele contact.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14862128196135137501noreply@blogger.com