tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post1333400073253435364..comments2023-10-19T21:48:56.560-05:00Comments on meaning in history: The Swedish Modelmark wauckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-78407224175262512842020-04-07T17:24:40.118-05:002020-04-07T17:24:40.118-05:00Even the Swedes, PC as they are, had to draw a lin...Even the Swedes, PC as they are, had to draw a line:<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%98resund_Bridge#Border_checksmark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-12532888070101073752020-04-07T17:22:55.804-05:002020-04-07T17:22:55.804-05:00Recall, I wrote a post about What They Don't W...Recall, I wrote a post about What They Don't Want You To Know. The Establishment is afraid that these discrepancies will break out into community conflict and think that hiding the reality (lack of transparency) will somehow prevent that. What will prevent it is real transparency. I'm talking about the US now.mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-61086988471230762212020-04-07T17:22:34.804-05:002020-04-07T17:22:34.804-05:00TPTB, by pushing de facto open borders, and dissin...TPTB, by pushing de facto open borders, and dissing those who warned that such policies would (in due course) bring devastating diseases from sh*thole countries, have made this bed w/o our consent.<br />A society which so quickly imports so many malcontents, and also manufactures armies of domestic malcontents, has a helluva road to hoe, no matter what policies it pursues in such crises as this aNanyMousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14452492302514671882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-76949733884327963362020-04-07T17:07:31.875-05:002020-04-07T17:07:31.875-05:00"It's deaths are TWICE that of Denmark an..."It's deaths are TWICE that of Denmark and Norway combined."<br />If its Muslims are likewise twice that of Denmark and Norway combined, these two sets of numbers may be together be creating nearly a wash.<br />Insofar as we fall short, of the Swedes' socially cohesive population, we're likely closer than they, to a socio-economic expolsion, this possibly exacerbated by aNanyMousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14452492302514671882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-52858095785155883702020-04-07T17:02:28.921-05:002020-04-07T17:02:28.921-05:00Yes, one of my sons told me about Ecuador. My wife...Yes, one of my sons told me about Ecuador. My wife knows folks from Guayaquil.<br /><br />Here's a total must read comparing NYC and Italy:<br /><br />https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/04/07/death-toll-new-york-lower-expected-lately/mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-28721958195518235082020-04-07T16:24:28.622-05:002020-04-07T16:24:28.622-05:00I wonder, if Temperature if having some impact on ...I wonder, if Temperature if having some impact on CoronaVirus, on how bad it is.<br /><br />Ecuador is having a horrible time of it from what I have read:<br />https://www.climatestotravel.com/climate/ecuador<br /><br />NYC, Italy, and Iran all seemed to be having similar temperature. Around 50-60 degrees F.Ray - SoCalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293232996007277071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-19790672249230267402020-04-07T16:19:53.945-05:002020-04-07T16:19:53.945-05:00Mark - Great point!
Is there any ethnic breakdown...Mark - Great point!<br /><br />Is there any ethnic breakdown of deaths by Coronavirus in the the Nordic Countries?<br /><br />Great work on looking at similar issues in the US, you were ahead of the curve.Ray - SoCalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293232996007277071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-89962542566506735612020-04-07T15:56:46.071-05:002020-04-07T15:56:46.071-05:00Titan, I had that factor in mind but didn't re...Titan, I had that factor in mind but didn't realize that the % in Sweden was quite that high. Do you think they're doing sensible, voluntary social distancing? Me neither.mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-24287037453487117022020-04-07T15:26:59.780-05:002020-04-07T15:26:59.780-05:00An interesting thing to note about those countries...An interesting thing to note about those countries: Norway has 167K moslems; Denmark 270K; Sweden 900K. I believe they are centered in Malmo, which they have turned into a complete [fill in blank] and no-go zone for police.<br /><br />I'm curious what effect, if any, the presence of such a large number of refugees, getting near 9% of the population, has on infection & mortality rates, etcTitan 28https://www.blogger.com/profile/09046922743675836512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-16805347172874333432020-04-07T15:25:29.254-05:002020-04-07T15:25:29.254-05:00An evaluation contrasting the 'Swedish' vs...An evaluation contrasting the 'Swedish' vs 'Immigrant' population, much the same way the demographics of some U.S. cities have been analyzed here, might be interesting. A much larger percentage of the total population of Sweden than Denmark and especially Norway, I think.<br /><br />Sweden's immigrants will never be 'Swedish' beyond the ink on their passport.<br />TomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-43004209201338347712020-04-07T14:08:04.019-05:002020-04-07T14:08:04.019-05:00If you look at Worldometer the real story seems to...If you look at Worldometer the real story seems to be in the death numbers. Sweden has about the same population as Denmark and Norway combined. It's deaths are TWICE that of Denmark and Norway combined. Moreover, while Denmark and Norway seem to be getting deaths more or less under control (8, 16 and 5, 13 for the last two days) Sweden appears to be accelerating to higher levels: 76 mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-53654672219472077432020-04-07T13:56:06.826-05:002020-04-07T13:56:06.826-05:00Mike, I can agree that Sweden probably has some th...Mike, I can agree that Sweden probably has some things going for it, not least a population that I'm going to guess is healthier than significant portions of the US population. However, like most 1st World countries their population is aging--20% over 65, and presumably quite a few more over 60. That's a large reservoir open to serious illness--not necessarily death, but plenty enough to mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-83813359477574906702020-04-07T13:50:25.768-05:002020-04-07T13:50:25.768-05:00Two more links:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/arc...Two more links:<br /><br />https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/04/swedens-numbers-vs-americas.php<br /><br />https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-response-sweden-avoids-isolation-economic-ruin/<br />Ray - SoCalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293232996007277071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-42358302842988156662020-04-07T13:35:46.989-05:002020-04-07T13:35:46.989-05:00It's my understanding that the Swedish governm...It's my understanding that the Swedish government is counting on its well-educated, socially cohesive population to employ good precautions. The population understands that it is supposed to wash hands, maintain social-distancing, stay home while sick, and so forth. <br /><br />Since it can count on its own population's good conduct, the government does not have to try to enforce strictlyMike Sylwesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09987402330015664312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-44992971933116843862020-04-07T13:18:26.517-05:002020-04-07T13:18:26.517-05:00Mike, I was listening to the interview with two Au...Mike, I was listening to the interview with two Aussie scientists, virologists, in one of those links. The interview was dated 3/17 and one of the scientists stated that if you leave out the Chinese deaths the total worldwide was 1500. Today in the US--with all our distancing, etc., we are over 12K already. That shows how quickly this situation develops in just a few weeks. Look again at the mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-16887105960428647472020-04-07T13:11:22.946-05:002020-04-07T13:11:22.946-05:00"An argument can be made that by flattening t..."An argument can be made that by flattening the curve you can minimize the deaths, but I don't think anyone has actually proven this yet."<br /><br />The idea is to buy time for developing a vaccine and for identifying specific medical treatments, i.e., HCQ+, etc. <br /><br />Hospitalization for COVID does not = being put on a ventilator--that's what you sound like you're mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-2996621141052715482020-04-07T12:59:31.543-05:002020-04-07T12:59:31.543-05:00Mark, the flatten the curve strategy acknowledges ...Mark, the flatten the curve strategy acknowledges that you will end up in the same place in terms of total cases, just on a longer timeline.<br /><br />An argument can be made that by flattening the curve you can minimize the deaths, but I don't think anyone has actually proven this yet. In other words, has being able to hospitalize people actually saved the lives of COVID-19 victims to any Yancey Wardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16427042729449397357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-37775292253988306152020-04-07T12:38:07.085-05:002020-04-07T12:38:07.085-05:00Here are three links that discuss these issues in ...Here are three links that discuss these issues in some depth:<br /><br />https://www.technologynetworks.com/immunology/articles/is-a-herd-immunity-approach-to-the-coronavirus-outbreak-a-viable-option-332199<br /><br />http://theconversation.com/the-herd-immunity-route-to-fighting-coronavirus-is-unethical-and-potentially-dangerous-133765<br /><br />https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-72726267506380933642020-04-07T12:36:29.190-05:002020-04-07T12:36:29.190-05:00Mike, I think your view is quite naive. Let's ...Mike, I think your view is quite naive. Let's be very clear about what you're saying.<br /><br />When you say "a higher trajectory" what you mean is "a higher death rate or trajectory of fatalities." A higher death trajectory--and we see in the graphs a very steep trajectory--can only mean that the underlying disease is both very infectious and quite deadly. In other mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-582170501761144752020-04-07T11:59:54.128-05:002020-04-07T11:59:54.128-05:00The strategy is to accept a higher trajectory, exp...The strategy is to accept a higher trajectory, expecting that herd immunity will develop faster. <br /><br />So, of course, the trajectory is relatively high. That is no surprise. <br /><br />I suppose that Sweden figures reasonably that it can manage the higher trajectory because of its social solidarity and because of its medical resources.<br /><br />Let's see how that strategy works out Mike Sylwesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09987402330015664312noreply@blogger.com