tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post1049250814530436286..comments2023-10-19T21:48:56.560-05:00Comments on meaning in history: So, Who Ever Said Stanford Scientists Are All Ethically Scrupulous?mark wauckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-77206749680190860422020-04-26T13:25:09.556-05:002020-04-26T13:25:09.556-05:00Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Titan 28https://www.blogger.com/profile/09046922743675836512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-24827007976048876312020-04-26T12:34:38.942-05:002020-04-26T12:34:38.942-05:00"How is it that the ruinously inept men and w..."How is it that the ruinously inept men and women who have been running our institutions into the ground, at the same time they've been wrong about every issue under the sun, for decades, suddenly managed, under extreme pressure, to get it right?"<br /><br />I hope you're not suggesting that's my 'narrative'?mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-3187325504019301602020-04-26T09:05:29.568-05:002020-04-26T09:05:29.568-05:00I'm doing a new, long, blog that I hope will c...I'm doing a new, long, blog that I hope will clear up some issues. However, I'm taking a bit of a break till later in the morning. Please be patient.mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-38655568937402263422020-04-26T08:48:56.253-05:002020-04-26T08:48:56.253-05:00I agree. Mark has an absolutely terrific blog the ...I agree. Mark has an absolutely terrific blog the content of which never fails to be thoughtful, illuminating, and necessary.<br /><br />On the Standford study, I lean toward Forbes and Cassander's side of the street. Apart from that, an issue that will be resolved in time, one of many, I cannot for the life of me uncouple our response to the virus from the virus itself. I have no words for Titan 28https://www.blogger.com/profile/09046922743675836512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-75023764588237064232020-04-26T08:07:41.583-05:002020-04-26T08:07:41.583-05:00"I think you are overly wedded to your own na..."I think you are overly wedded to your own narrative"<br /><br />But why misrepresent my 'narrative'? My narrative has always been that the death rate will be moderated by the lower degree of virulence (transmissibility}. As it is, we know that the death toll so far is already as bad as a very bad flu season--but in a much shorter time span. The fact that that death toll is so mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-85940703783566493572020-04-25T23:33:11.054-05:002020-04-25T23:33:11.054-05:00Well, Mark...its your blog. And its a darn good on...Well, Mark...its your blog. And its a darn good one...<br /><br />As it happens, I largely agree with your conclusions regarding Spygate or whatever you want to call it. I think its the largest scandal in our political history and threatens to bring the Republic down. I have enjoyed reading your thoughtful posts and sharing my reactions with you and your many commenters. I have learned a lot.<br Cassanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11255275730299959627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-64480572566349518192020-04-25T18:22:52.729-05:002020-04-25T18:22:52.729-05:00Also, here's Gelman's blog on the subject,...Also, here's Gelman's blog on the subject, which you apparently didn't even glance at:<br /><br />https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/04/19/fatal-flaws-in-stanford-study-of-coronavirus-prevalence/mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-36598062575622301222020-04-25T18:18:29.786-05:002020-04-25T18:18:29.786-05:00But you don't address the very low specificity...But you don't address the very low specificity of the test and what that means for the low % results of this "study--which I discussed in another post. Also the hyped and tendentious interpretation of the findings: 50-85% higher--than an extremely low level. The important point is that 50-85x higher still doesn't get you anywhere remotely close to 'herd' immunity. And that-mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-86038174878658309522020-04-25T17:38:46.577-05:002020-04-25T17:38:46.577-05:00Mark, respectfully, you might want to slow down an...Mark, respectfully, you might want to slow down and take a breath.<br /><br />Scott Gottlieb looks to have been caught up with Buzzfeed clickbait, and an allegation of unethical conduct against the Santa Clara study is over the top, IMO. The Buzzfeed article is silly.<br /><br />The study was based on 3,300 volunteers, who were made aware of the testing on short notice by various means of Forbeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08397667344368400622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-46281031979182368402020-04-25T16:00:32.478-05:002020-04-25T16:00:32.478-05:00Oh, you're very welcome.Oh, you're very welcome.mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-65409162919607241192020-04-25T15:45:48.675-05:002020-04-25T15:45:48.675-05:00Mark, thank you for your refreshingly well-reasone...Mark, thank you for your refreshingly well-reasoned analysis and criticism. That is why I come here.Bebenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-2772783247613292322020-04-25T12:27:52.611-05:002020-04-25T12:27:52.611-05:00For a scientist to knowingly publish a "metho...For a scientist to knowingly publish a "methodologically challenged" study is unethical. Call me old school, if you wish.mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-62363423122383777032020-04-25T12:20:09.487-05:002020-04-25T12:20:09.487-05:00Reread Gottlieb's tweet. Former FDA commission...Reread Gottlieb's tweet. Former FDA commissioner. Diplomatically saying: methodologicially challenged, doesn't provide true insights.<br /><br />Harsh? Or honest?mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-48033232147988274612020-04-25T12:14:12.498-05:002020-04-25T12:14:12.498-05:00Here's an article which comprehensively summar...Here's an article which comprehensively summarizes the criticism of the Stanford study.<br /><br />https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/20/feud-over-stanford-coronavirus-study-the-authors-owe-us-all-an-apology/<br /><br />Since the study was published before finalization, we'll have to see where it comes out after adjusting for the criticisms received by the authors.<br /><br />I guess I&#Cassanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11255275730299959627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-69048717457671697652020-04-25T12:03:21.191-05:002020-04-25T12:03:21.191-05:00Look Titan, here's just one example of the fla...Look Titan, here's just one example of the flaws in the article--and I'm trying to be very polite.<br /><br />The authors present a nice graph to show a "fever spike" in early to mid March, then state:<br /><br />"This could be evidence into how much more prevalent COVID-19 is than early testing showed."<br /><br />Oh yeah? HOW MUCH more prevalent? They don't say-mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-14662889630657527552020-04-25T11:49:43.010-05:002020-04-25T11:49:43.010-05:00The authors--a grab bag of non-infectious speciali...The authors--a grab bag of non-infectious specialists--make some valid points--all of which I've been making on my own from the beginning. But they fails to address the scientific critiques of the Stanford "study". Such as the low specificity of the (Chinese?) test used, and the decidedly non-random sampling. I addressed that--you haven't.<br /><br />I don't have time to mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-81756889038383537272020-04-25T11:12:23.115-05:002020-04-25T11:12:23.115-05:00"Mapping the Mortality Maze," in the Ame..."Mapping the Mortality Maze," in the American Spectator could be a worthwhile read. I can't say they're right. But his defense of the Stanford study warrants scrutiny.<br /><br />https://spectator.org/mapping-the-mortality-maze-how-deadly-is-covid-19/Titan 28https://www.blogger.com/profile/09046922743675836512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-53577778214764502912020-04-25T10:02:16.889-05:002020-04-25T10:02:16.889-05:00Does what he did seem like scientific sampling met...Does what he did seem like scientific sampling methodology to you? Have your read any of the critiques of the author by other scientists and statisticians? I linked to one some days ago. Sample:<br /><br />“I think the authors owe us all an apology… not just to us, but to Stanford,” wrote Andrew Gelman, a professor of statistics and political science and director of the Applied Statistics Center mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-57489785991935045582020-04-25T09:30:44.056-05:002020-04-25T09:30:44.056-05:00Re the title of your post, Mark, what exactly did ...Re the title of your post, Mark, what exactly did the Stanford prof who was the author of the study do that was specifically 'unethical'? Seems like a harsh criticism...Just wondering... Cassanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11255275730299959627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-16887976644024174982020-04-25T07:46:06.312-05:002020-04-25T07:46:06.312-05:00Very possibly. It's still where we're gett...Very possibly. It's still where we're getting most of our meds.mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247066866195200890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-17533421842607640212020-04-24T22:23:26.247-05:002020-04-24T22:23:26.247-05:00Perhaps NYC purchased their test kits from China&#...Perhaps NYC purchased their test kits from China's version of "As Seen on TV"?Anne Shermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08185349387825092563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1608697421187043479.post-68547881835434008202020-04-24T20:22:34.262-05:002020-04-24T20:22:34.262-05:00Many science studies can’t be replicated, especial...Many science studies can’t be replicated, especially in psychology. <br /><br />Good news is everyday we are learning more.Ray - SoCalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293232996007277071noreply@blogger.com